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« Reply #75 on: May 17, 2007, 07:09:57 AM »
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A man's legacy is made of many things, but how he treats others is a decent part of it.

For a man who's life SHOULD have been filled with understanding and deeper thought....he sure failed on a national stage on that.

Sadly, he lost the moral respect of many Americans by saying and doing things that embarassed himself.


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*sighs*  If you look at his life time... You'll see he didn't start losing this "respect" until he was in his 60s  ...pre 9-11

I still say if you can't find something good to say about his lifetime's achievements, then IMO you are blind, deaf, illiterate and anti-social.

How much good have the self ordained Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton done for their people, let alone anyone else?  zip... nada... zilch.  Wonder what the boards will look like after those two spinmeisters kick off?
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« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2007, 08:12:44 AM »
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How much good have the self ordained Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton done for their people, let alone anyone else?  zip... nada... zilch.  Wonder what the boards will look like after those two spinmeisters kick off?


From me?  The same contempt i have towards Falwell.  Moreso Jackson than Sharpton however.  They are both self-indulgent, but i give sharpton some credit for coming out and having controversial views(most of which i disagree) and having the balls to stand by them.  Jackson, well what can i say about jackson?  He needs to volunteer himself to go to some conflict in the world to try and fix it for our government.  One of these days he is gonna volunteer himself to fix the wrong conflict and we're gonna let him go.  Hey, you think maybe he can fix Iraq?  Shall we send him? :aok

Im surprised noone has thrown this name around.....Pat Robertson anyone?

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« Reply #77 on: May 17, 2007, 08:21:14 AM »
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How much good have the self ordained Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton done for their people, let alone anyone else?


lol, you just compared him to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, he just flipped in his grave
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« Reply #78 on: May 17, 2007, 08:25:34 AM »
mission earth was a good series by l ron hubbard..  I thought it was pretty funny and engrossing.

falwell did one thing.. he changed the idea of "religious person" for a lot of protestants who hated catholics and jews with a passion.  He was a uniter in that respect.  He made christians a much more formidable political entity.. That is one of the reasons the lefties hated him so much.

as for me... I won't miss him much in any case.   Real fanatical religious types are just as dangerous to my individualism as are real fanatic lefties or any people who think that they need to "join" some group or movement and then make everyone do what they think is the right thing.

I don't want to be told what I can do in my bedroom with another adult and I don't want to have to wear seatbelts or helmets and I don't want to be told what words are banned or what kind of guns I can own.

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« Reply #79 on: May 17, 2007, 09:05:13 AM »
Falwell used to regularly sit in on security breifings with Pres Reagan...should make u think.

I guess someone else is going to have to hand out "A Christian Guide To Politics" at sermons  come next election..
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« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2007, 09:37:50 AM »
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falwell did one thing.. he changed the idea of "religious person" for a lot of protestants who hated catholics and jews with a passion. He was a uniter in that respect. He made christians a much more formidable political entity.. That is one of the reasons the lefties hated him so much.

Yea, that's respectable. Organize the hate and give it a voice politically. Good stuff:aok
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« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2007, 10:00:13 AM »
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I still say if you can't find something good to say about his lifetime's achievements, then IMO you are blind, deaf, illiterate and anti-social.


Say something good about Adolf Hitler. ;)
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« Reply #82 on: May 17, 2007, 10:02:02 AM »
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In the thousands of hours of sermons Falwell delivered, if you can't find anything positive to take, you are indeed an idiot. You are the definition of an idiot. No one preaches for thousands of hours, decades, without saying stupid things. No one preaches for thousands of hours, decades, without saying great things. Where's the list of the good stuff? Hidden? Why?



Well said imo.

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Yea, that's respectable. Organize the hate and give it a voice politically. Good stuff


If you actually believe that Falwell hated people, then you don't understand Christianity at all. Falwell was a deeply religious man that stood by his convictions no matter how much criticism he endured. He believed that sin, including things like homosexuality and abortion are reasons why God is no longer blessing our country.

Did Falwell make mistakes during his lifetime? Sure he did, just like I have, just like you have, just like everyone else. Being a Christian doesn't make one perfect. The only perfect man to ever walk this earth was crucified outside Jerusalem over 2000 years ago.
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« Reply #83 on: May 17, 2007, 10:04:26 AM »
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Say something good about Adolf Hitler. ;)


He had a nice drughabit and the mustache to prove it.

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« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2007, 11:21:14 AM »
I admired him for much of what he did, some of what he said, and wish he had left somethings unsaid.

He was a better man than I.

All the Best,

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« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2007, 12:04:22 PM »
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« Reply #86 on: May 17, 2007, 12:23:32 PM »
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« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2007, 01:11:39 PM »
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Wow.

Some of you guys still manage to surprise me.

Clearly "tact" wasnt something all were taught.


When you say 'tact', are you referring to something like this?

“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’”

-Jerry Falwell after 9/11

He was a bad man in the worst way, he filched gullible people for millions, he used fear to hold on to his power, he perverted Christianity in the worst ways to glorify himself and his posse of freaks. He polluted faith by dragging it kicking and screaming into American politics.  He was a deluded, overbearing, self-righteous, stiff-necked and vainly proud hypocrite who preached hatred and intolerance and misused his power in pretty much every way possible.  He was a false prophet who claimed to speak for God.

Now... do you want to know what I really think?

I think there's a special place in hell for him.
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« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2007, 02:24:42 PM »
I'm somewhat loathe to comment on Pastor Falwell's death in this forum and at this time, especially because I'm suffering from a wretched head cold and don't feel much like writing or talking at present. But I feel compelled to write something. I apologize for the fact it's bound to be substandard, and also bound to irritate everyone.

I hope you will forgive me if I start with something of a disclaimer lest I be misunderstood. It would take a book length treatment to list and explain all the things that I disagreed with Jerry Falwell over. Perhaps the most central of these issues was over the spirituality of the church. Falwell believed that the church of Jesus Christ had a duty to entangle itself in partisan political issues, and spent much of his life preaching a conservative social gospel and taking high profile stands as a gospel minister in the political arena. I have explained in the past why I do not believe this is what Christ commanded his ministers to do and mistakes the nature of the kingdom (for a more full treatment of this subject, please see: Preachers and Politics - the appendix should suffice as an executive summary if you don't have time to read the whole.) Caesar has his sphere and the minister has his, and just as I would object to Caesar meddling in the affairs of the church, so to he has a right to object to my meddling in the matters of the state. While we are both evangelicals committed to the fundamentals, we also differed on several theological issues, and to tell the truth I have never thought that the "mega-church" was the right approach to pastoral ministry which should be personal and relational (Falwell's church, Thomas Road, has 24,000 members - how can a shepherd know his sheep in a church that size?) That said, while our differences were not minor, we theologically agreed on more things than we differed, particularly in regards to Person and Saving Work of Jesus Christ, the nature and role of Scripture, and the vital importance of the Gospel.  

To simply dismiss Falwell as a "televangelist" does him a great disservice. Even his enemies were forced to admit that he was a man of personal integrity, that he was always kind and patient in his demeanor towards others (Larry King who agreed with him about nearly nothing noted "you couldn't help liking him because he was so friendly") and that he steered clear of the personal scandals that have characterized the ministries of shameless hucksters like Swaggart and Bakker. When he was raising money, it was almost always for causes rather than himself, and indeed his salary was consistently lower than that of other mega-church pastors and miles under the highly questionable incomes of televangelists like Benny Hinn. People hated him for his political stands and the movements he got involved in, but found little fodder for criticism in his personal life. Additionally, many of the things that he was rightly criticized for, such as his initial support of segregation (and here he is joined by a host of Southern Democrats such as Senator Byrd) are things he later repudiated. A black friend of mine who worked for his university once told me that whatever Falwell was, in his personal experience he was no racist (and yes, he did run into a few examples of that species in Lynchburg).

Regardless of what you thought of his politics, in his non-political preaching and writing, Falwell's love for Christ and desire to make him known shone through. When he preached the gospel, he did so without hesitation or apology in a way that showed that he agreed with Paul's declaration: "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes." Literally millions have testified that Falwell was the means that God used to bring them to faith in Christ, and If I could wish for anything to have been changed about his life, it is that he might have stuck to preaching and eschewed politics. Had he done so, he might have been remembered in a manner more reminiscent of  Billy Graham. As it was, in the public eye, his political activism so overshadowed his preaching that long after he is gone he will be associated with the Moral Majority rather than the preaching of the word, which to my mind at least is a shame.

I know few here will agree with me about him, but regardless of  his gaffes, his misplaced emphasis, his sins (and who can confess he has none of those?), and how he is remembered here and elsewhere, Falwell always spoke of himself humbly as a "sinner saved by grace alone" and consequently I have no doubt of his salvation, because while he called men to personal righteousness, he never trusted in his own for salvation, but depended solely upon the atoning blood of Christ and his meritorious work. We may have disagreed, but I can still eulogize him simply with these words: "Precious in the sight of the LORD Is the death of His saints."
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« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2007, 02:39:51 PM »
I think you did very well Seagoon . I wasn't a great fan of Falwell, but for the wacko left to write him off as some tyrant or crook, is absolutely wrong. If I was broke down on the side of the road, he is exactly the type of person I'd wish to happen by. I think a lot of these moral judges vilifying him would pass me up as they made great decisions on their cell phone.
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