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Offline McFarland

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« Reply #75 on: July 04, 2007, 11:57:24 PM »
And if you can't tell what the car is doing by the sound of the engine, the feel of the wheel, and the way the road in front you looks, you aint much of a driver.

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« Reply #76 on: July 05, 2007, 04:40:41 AM »
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I know what I saw. Me cousin was killed by his seatbelt holding him to the impact of that tree. I'll explain to you how it happened:

It was supposed to be a race, but it may have turned into a fight. Whether it did, we will never know. But we know he was murdered. He neared the finish line, and crossed it before the other guy. The other guy, he doesn't like this. So he pushes the back end of me cousin's car, twice. My cousin spun around on the road more than 180 degrees, his back wheels go into the ditch. The front wheels get traction again, spinning the car around. It goes off the other side of the road sideways, and jumps a ditch four feet deep. The wheels catch the rim of the ditch, though, and proceed to start his car into a flip, but first he hits a tree in his driver's side door, his seatbelt catches, holding him to the blow. He wipes out the tree, and proceeds to flip, end over end now, five times, ending up with his front facing the the road, his car turned 180 degrees since it hit the ditch, and on it's wheels. If me cousin had not been wearing a seatbelt, he would have survived. You can't say seatbelts are completely safe.


Ahhh, the proverbial "one in a million" accident.  I am sorry to hear about your cousin, it's unfortunate that this kind of thing happens, but it does.  I can counter with my next door neighbor, 17 at the time.  He decided to make a very tragic decision and wound up getting in a head-on collision rather than riding the shoulder.  He died instantly, seatbelt would have done nothing.  His mother, riding in the back, without a seatbelt, was thrown foreward into the dash at 50 mph.  Died later at the hospital when it was determined she was brain dead.  The only survivor, of both cars, was his girlfriend in the passenger seat, the only one among the 2 cars and 5 passengers, and was the only one wearing a seatbelt.  

Now we can go round and round about accidents but seatbelts save lives, there's no arguing that.  There were always be a "one in a million" accident, of which my accident was one as it was a head on collision that I forced into a glancing side impact.  As for "And if you can't tell what the car is doing by the sound of the engine, the feel of the wheel, and the way the road in front you looks, you aint much of a driver.", no argument here.  But you did leave out the feel that seatbelts give you from all 4 wheels, something a steering wheel will not do.  And if you don't believe that you ain't much of a driver.
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« Reply #77 on: July 05, 2007, 04:51:45 AM »
Don't wear seatbelts, helmets, condoms, or whatever safety device that is available.

Just make sure you pay for you own health insurance as Darwin's theory takes hold.
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« Reply #78 on: July 05, 2007, 06:20:01 AM »
I pay for my own insurance.
I have never cost anyone any increase on their insurance or medical expenses.
I have ridden bikes since I was a kid.
I don`t wear skid lids.
So..........how are you going to spend your big bonus check you got from your insurance company?
You did get one ...didn`t you?
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« Reply #79 on: July 05, 2007, 07:11:53 AM »
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nope... I have put over 50,000 miles on the Lincoln without ever putting on the seatbelt.


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« Reply #80 on: July 05, 2007, 07:18:12 AM »
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Me own thoughts are me source.  


I dont know whether to laugh or cry.

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« Reply #81 on: July 05, 2007, 08:16:08 AM »
LOL, I bet McFarland is actually Beetle making fun of the rest.
Or?

(Okay, seetbelts are stuuupid, so are drug laws and gun laws and concern for the environment)
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #82 on: July 05, 2007, 08:39:25 AM »
well.. the people in socialist countries all agree that we should be good little citizens and let the government decide what we can and can't do... surprised at how many "americans" are buying it tho.

Did any of you read the study?

the reason race car drivers (and me when I am racing) wear helmets is because....  you are just as likely to die of a head injury in a car as on a motorcyle.   If you were so worried about head injuries you would be wearing a helmet in your car... otherwise... you are just participating in "stupid dangerous behavior"

It is laughable...  diablo... what makes you think the seatbelt saved your life?  I have been in a worse wreck... much worse and had no seatbelt.   I don't claim not having one saved my life but... I am about sick of the people who all claim to have been saved by a seatbelt that were in fender  benders...  are we that fragile?

On a race bike you won't hit anything solid most likely.. you will skid and slide and maybe bump your head on the ground due to the weight and size of the helmet... dirt tracks are worse and.. the chance of hitting another bike or your own a glancing blow is high along with scraping up your body and head.   without a helmet you would abrade your head.

So why don't you guys wear helmets and have full cage rollbars in your cars?

In two of my cars I wear helmets when I race along with the seatbelts... I take the helmet off when I get on the street....

Does anyone see a disconnect there?    both my hot rods are very fast and very likely to get me into trouble.   I wear belts in em.  the lincoln?  sheesh... comeone.. if that pig gets smashed enough to kill me I will die seatbelt or no.

moray makes my point for me... he wears swim floataion devices only when he thinks it is dangerous... he admits the possiblility of drowning in water but prefers to be stupid and dangerous most of the time...  a candidate for the darwin award... he will drown in a pool most likely.  because he has spent thousands of hours in water that he felt he didn't need a flotation device in...

just like me in the lincoln huh?

hypocracy is rampant on this board.. people here, like everywhere love to tell their fellows what they must do "for their own good" but... their behavior is different... they are special.  they are not "stupid" and they are "adults"

able to decide for themselves.

I bet moray has a frigging cow when the women pass laws to make everyone wear flotation devices at all times in all waters.  No exceptions.

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« Reply #83 on: July 05, 2007, 08:41:59 AM »
and... speaking of exceptions... you "darwin" types ride in taxis and buses driven by gawd knows who and are not wearing seatbelts or helmets.

I bet some of you even let your wives drive... hell... I bet with some of you guys skill level... you are probly better off letting women drive.   Talk about darwin awards.... driving a car with your skill level and think a seatbelt will save you is the funniest thing about this thread.   if it weren't so pitiful.

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« Reply #84 on: July 05, 2007, 08:45:39 AM »
What's the next clever theory Lazs?
Skydiving without a chute?
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #85 on: July 05, 2007, 08:52:15 AM »
skydiving is stupid risky behavior... it cost us all money.  It has no purpose.

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« Reply #86 on: July 05, 2007, 09:11:54 AM »
so...run for office and change the law, sheesh what a whining nelly you are.

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« Reply #87 on: July 05, 2007, 09:19:45 AM »
no chance I could run or.. if I could.. would win..

Still..  I may have changed a few minds here.. if so, it is worth it.  dispelled a few myths the women have fostered over the years.

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« Reply #88 on: July 05, 2007, 09:25:24 AM »
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well.. the people in socialist countries all agree that we should be good little citizens and let the government decide what we can and can't do... surprised at how many "americans" are buying it tho.
 


This has got nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with common sense. Riding a car without a seatbelt is plain stupid. Sure you can come up with an example of an accident where the guy would have survived had he not worn a seatbelt. Those are one in a million though.

You can also come up with examples of guys jumping out of airplanes with failing chutes and surviving falls of several thousand feet. But that doesnt really say anything about how smart it is to wilfully jump out of airplanes without parachutes...does it?

When it comes to seatbelts and other traffic laws, we need to have laws and regulations. Simply because otherwise there would be some brainiac out there who thinks he can drive perfectly safe while drunk, or at 155mph, or whatever.

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« Reply #89 on: July 05, 2007, 09:39:21 AM »
Thanks to the grace of God, I walked away from this one with nothing more than a broken elbow and a couple of fractures to the face and ribs. Had I not been wearing a seatbelt, I would have died that night.

Icy patch, evening, me doing 140 km/h.