Bring Back The MA

[Anyone]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Yep you are paying for the game as HTC presents it.  You power is in whether you pay to play or not.

Clearly HTC has more people playing to play the game now then they ever have.  

The mass exodous that was predicted at the time of the arena changes hasn't happened.  Sure some folks left, but they've been replaced by a lot more folks.

And the nature of any of the Flight Sims has been a constant change in people.  There are very few of us who have been around for the long haul.
I wonder how many guys are left from the early days of this board or AH overall.  I doubt it's a very large percentage of the player base.

Change is part of the deal.  You accept it and help make it work or you move on.

I'd also ask how much have you contributed to the game and the community.  There are guys who make maps.  They pay that same 15 bucks a month,.  There are skinners.  There are the guys who design Scenarios or help with special events.  Think of the AvA staff, the Mods, the Trainers, the Snapshot guys etc.

They pay that same 15 bucks a month.  What are you doing to make this game better?

thing is im guessing you are fine with playing the same 5maps every day, hence the reason you dont care about the split and lack of big maps?

infact i guess you would be happy with a 30player game with only 3 bases...?

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by Guppy35
And the nature of any of the Flight Sims has been a constant change in people.  There are very few of us who have been around for the long haul.
I wonder how many guys are left from the early days of this board or AH overall.  I doubt it's a very large percentage of the player base.

I beg to differ.  My guess is that at least half of the player base has been around since the '90's in predecessors to AH.  I've been around since '96 and I know a lot here have been around even longer.

Do a search on these boards.  There was a "Any old Air Warriors" thread here that's 741 posts long.  There's also a "Who are the most memorable squads" thread that's 202 posts long.

I've often heard that the posters on these boards are a small minority of the AH populutaion (5%?).  Let's assume it's 10% and everyone in those threads posted twice.  Then half the player base being "long-timers" holds true.

Others come and go.  It's this core audience that's kept these flight sims alive for so long.

[Mr No Name]

yep, this is a niche game... you're only going to pick up a small amount of long-term players.  this isn't going to explode and continue like an FPS game.

[FrodeMk3]

Origanally posted by Guppy35

The mass exodous that was predicted at the time of the arena changes hasn't happened. Sure some folks left, but they've been replaced by a lot more folks.
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Dan, I'd happily trade 100 squeakers for one of my old friends' who have left, any day of the week.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Origanally posted by Guppy35

The mass exodous that was predicted at the time of the arena changes hasn't happened. Sure some folks left, but they've been replaced by a lot more folks.
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Dan, I'd happily trade 100 squeakers for one of my old friends' who have left, any day of the week.

I'd happily go back to my early days in Airwarrior and all my Nomad squaddies too.  But nothing remains constant.  Those squeakers will end up carrying on the game to the next crowd.  It's always funny to me to listen to the guys before my time talk about my generation of flyers that came in around 96 with AOL and Gamestorm.  They resented the heck out of us because their game was changing from what they knew.

I'd like to think that many of us from that time have done a good job carrying the torch and passing it on.  There is just no way to stop that kind of transition.  Todays squeaker is next year's vet.

The game doesn't chase people away really.  Life does, lack of interest, new interests or whatever.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
I beg to differ.  My guess is that at least half of the player base has been around since the '90's in predecessors to AH.  I've been around since '96 and I know a lot here have been around even longer.

Do a search on these boards.  There was a "Any old Air Warriors" thread here that's 741 posts long.  There's also a "Who are the most memorable squads" thread that's 202 posts long.

I've often heard that the posters on these boards are a small minority of the AH populutaion (5%?).  Let's assume it's 10% and everyone in those threads posted twice.  Then half the player base being "long-timers" holds true.

Others come and go.  It's this core audience that's kept these flight sims alive for so long.

Just cause we populate the BBS doesn't mean we dominate the arenas.

Go back a few years on the boards and check the names.  How many are still here?  It'f funny how they've changed.  Many of those guys who stopped in on the AW thread are not active flyers either.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Anyone
thing is im guessing you are fine with playing the same 5maps every day, hence the reason you dont care about the split and lack of big maps?

infact i guess you would be happy with a 30player game with only 3 bases...?

You didn't answer the question

I'm fine with the game as is yep.  I made do with the game as it was too.  I understood HTC's reasons for the change and I believe they still hold true.

You seem to assume I'm nothing but a furballer.  I don't classify myself as such.  I like ACM sure.  But I don't mind helping to cap a base or escort a bomber.  Defeding a base that the other side is trying to take is great fun.

The map is a means to an end, and that end is the fight.  The airfields are designed essentially the same.  It can't be eye candy that you are worried about.  Do I care about racing to the reset?  Nope.  

But again.  Can you contribute to the game?  Make a map for us.  One of my Squaddies does terrains.  He does them for scenarios, but he's done some amazing work.

Go for it.  Give us a good one.  Instead of give me what I want.  Make it what can I contribute?

It's the community that makes things go in the end by what we put into the game.

[sgt203]

Originally posted by LYNX
sgt203 thanks for digging out the reply by HTC here's my thoughts directed at you or anyone reading.....  

Quote from Hitech:
But you might as well forget about the idea of going back, because it isn't going to happen.  

So straight from the horses mouth ....no single MA....ever.  Well I can live with that as I have done since it was implemented but man I'm getting PO'ed with these small maps.  Maybe I'm facing AH burn out but I'm getting fed up.  Boo Hoo woe is me bleet bleet.

That was basically my whole point Lynx and why I posted two posts.

If the sinigle MA was "unhealthy" HT made a business decision what is best for his business. If all the numbers are still up then I guess he made the right one...IMO to an extent.

Like I said in my post right above HT's Quote: is it really the old MA everyone wants or is it a result of the fact we have the same ol same ol stagnant maps over and over and over adnauseum??

I agree with you Lynx, on alot of the things you stated, especially the small maps, which I feel is part ( if not most) of the reason for the community expressing a desire for the old MA...

But as HT said "Forget about it...."

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BTW: Does HT ever change his mind or opinion????

[evenhaim]

Originally posted by sgt203


BTW: Does HT ever change his mind or opinion????

no

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by LYNX

Anyways chap thank you for your time but may I pose 1 more question.  Would, in your opinion, the numbers we have today support the use of larger maps in both MA's.

I believe they would support the big maps, but I'm not HT  

Originally posted by Anyone

thing is im guessing you are fine with playing the same 5maps every day, hence the reason you dont care about the split and lack of big maps?

infact i guess you would be happy with a 30player game with only 3 bases...?

ummm what do you think we flew with in AH1, and before some "customers" built the big maps???? Yup, the same small maps we got today.... thats where they came from ya know

You are paying your $15 for the game as HTC has it. HTC, out of the kindness of there hearts..... and I'm sure they don't mind the free labor .... ALLOWS players to make maps for the MA's. No where does it say they will add new maps when ever the community deems that thew old maps are stale.

The whole point here, is to spend less time complaining about how things are, and to do what you can to make it more fun for your self, and others, by getting others together in missions, or just a few wingies in fighters, build skins, or maps, participate in senerios and so on.

[Kazaa]

Originally posted by evenhaim
no

How can you say this ?

[FALCONWING]

Originally posted by Guppy35
You didn't answer the question

I'm fine with the game as is yep.  I made do with the game as it was too.  I understood HTC's reasons for the change and I believe they still hold true.

You seem to assume I'm nothing but a furballer.  I don't classify myself as such.  I like ACM sure.  But I don't mind helping to cap a base or escort a bomber.  Defeding a base that the other side is trying to take is great fun.

The map is a means to an end, and that end is the fight.  The airfields are designed essentially the same.  It can't be eye candy that you are worried about.  Do I care about racing to the reset?  Nope.  

But again.  Can you contribute to the game?  Make a map for us.  One of my Squaddies does terrains.  He does them for scenarios, but he's done some amazing work.

Go for it.  Give us a good one.  Instead of give me what I want.  Make it what can I contribute?

It's the community that makes things go in the end by what we put into the game.

dan/guppy

you know i like you and we have winged up at times and had fun with you but im confused by your multiposting here....are you under the assumption that you are going to change what people feel/want????

the majority of folks here simply put a  to signify we would like the old system back...i know you dont agree...but im not planning on debating it with you....i know i wont change your mind and you wont change these guys minds....the old way was a blast..i dont hate the new setup but the absolute lack of any new maps is ridiculous...we have 4 times more arenas and half the maps...also you are a furballer..i respect that...but other guys like gving and buffing and they are upset..i respect that too...

so why not let folks express their opinions without having to defend them to you and 2 or three others??? i dont think this was supposed to be a highschool debate club...just a thread for HTC to note or discount....

[FALCONWING]

Originally posted by storch
I love the whine posts from players in the many flock of seagulls squads (BoPs).  the one by flayed above is a good example, heartwarming stuff that.

there are strat squads in the game that do what you guys do, do it with far fewer players, create an atmosphere of competition and often accomplish their goals.

the first one that comes to mind are the blind bats with perhaps 30 players who consistently drive the strat game for the rook team.  the second would be the 9thGIAP which do the same for which ever country they play for.  these squads are proficient strat GV and furball players individually as opposed to the FoSGs or the 68th guys which are merely a gaggle unskilled gangers and runners.

if it takes dividing the arena even further to prevent the game from sliding downhill I'm for it.

what we had in the past with 90+ FoSGs running from undefended base to undefended base taking out all means of effective resistence from the opposing team prior to steam rolling towns was only fun for the mindless shed killers and not for the majority of the players.  

I'm glad HTC did something about that unhealthy and unsportsman like behavior.  now the FoSGs and those of their ilk are limited to two dozen or so players and those players seem to simply lack the skill to cope with three or four skilled and determined players.

continue the whines please, it's music to my eyes.

not to hijack but for storch to try and define sportsmanship is a laugh...i cant think of a more disrespected "member" of the community...

the honest truth is i feel sorry for you storch...you are a miserable human being and you seem to enjoy lying a lot...BoPs have never fielded more then 40 players on squad night and that was once...while we have 90 players on roster any moron can look and see about half of them are inactive over any campaign...our usual squad night is about 30 players...and we still field that many on squad night as always...the new changes have not affected us at all...surprising but a relief when we realized it was cool for our squad....

storch you sell AMWAY for a living (no i am not making this up)...  that sums it up for me ... i would think you would quit lying when you play a virtual cartoon game but it seems to be who you are....the difference here is that grown men cant be taken advantage of by your standard techniques... so keep taking advantage of/trying to bully folks in real life and quit trying to pick silly fights with a group of guys who are smarter and more mature then you:aok

and yes you are pitiful....truly...do you really want me to post the film of the fight you describe above...i filmed the whole thing...and awdoc did NOT pick you..you were in a 109 and got outmaneuvered by him in a ta-152....was hilarious...i also have you immediately lying about it on ch 200...dude TRY to quit lying....please...

[Bosco123]

[storch]

the feeling is completely mutual.  

show me where I said you had ninety players on.  I say ninety plus players in the squad.  in fact I said you have about 30 players on.  I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

post your film of you running and of awdoc diving while I was engaging you in the ack.

when it's all said and done it's a game and none of this impacts anything important in my life.

I could care less about yours or anyone else's opinion on any topic.

you guys are awful players and an embodiment the worst elements in this game.