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« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2007, 06:53:54 PM »
Way to go, guys! Take a serious issue and serious threat and argue about which political party could eff it up worse than the other as a solution.

Just like C-SPAN.

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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2007, 08:41:18 PM »
Whoops!  

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070725-1207-bn25false.html

Report of terrorist 'dry run' at Lindbergh a false alarm
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« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2007, 09:02:25 PM »
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They already had a dry run on some Boston bridges a few months ago, but they screwed up and left the lights connected allowing us to foil the evil doers.

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you mean these?

Those were a promotional thing from Cartoon Network that people went overboard about....

Richard Reid almost detonated the shoe bomb in his attempt didn't he?

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« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2007, 09:06:08 PM »
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Those were a promotional thing from Cartoon Network that people went overboard about....
Raider, REALLY?
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« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2007, 03:41:07 AM »
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LOL you think those guys would not be profiled? :rofl :aok



You think airport security would give someone from Indosia a second glance other than to make sure their papers are in order?  To most Americans, the face of a terrorist is an Arab one, not Asian or a mixed race individual from the Caribbean.  Why else do you think Al-queda has been trying to recruit more non-Arab muslims.  Because they would have a better chance of getting through than an Arab or an Arab looking terrorist.

If terrorism was only done by Arabs from the Middle East, then profiling would work since all you're looking for are Arabs that fit the description.  But when you're against something that spawns different races, profiling isn't going to be very effective.  


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« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2007, 04:13:24 AM »
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You think airport security would give someone from Indosia a second glance other than to make sure their papers are in order?  To most Americans, the face of a terrorist is an Arab one, not Asian or a mixed race individual from the Caribbean.  Why else do you think Al-queda has been trying to recruit more non-Arab muslims.  Because they would have a better chance of getting through than an Arab or an Arab looking terrorist.

If terrorism was only done by Arabs from the Middle East, then profiling would work since all you're looking for are Arabs that fit the description.  But when you're against something that spawns different races, profiling isn't going to be very effective.  


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Terrorism is done by brown people, often but not always with beard. There is your racial profile.

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« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2007, 04:27:48 AM »
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You think airport security would give someone from Indosia a second glance other than to make sure their papers are in order?  To most Americans, the face of a terrorist is an Arab one, not Asian or a mixed race individual from the Caribbean.  Why else do you think Al-queda has been trying to recruit more non-Arab muslims.  Because they would have a better chance of getting through than an Arab or an Arab looking terrorist.

If terrorism was only done by Arabs from the Middle East, then profiling would work since all you're looking for are Arabs that fit the description.  But when you're against something that spawns different races, profiling isn't going to be very effective.  


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Good point.............Profiling Does Not Work, creates tunnel vision.  Good example is when women started being used as bombers.........caught everyone off guard.............expensive lesson in errors of use of profiling techniques.

As blind as we've made ourselves with profiling, if I were the bad guy (that ought to get me phone tapped :O ) I'd be stateside already, recruiting white gramma's and grampa's and send them abroad.

Profiling Bad.


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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2007, 04:44:20 AM »
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...recruiting white gramma's and grampa's and send them abroad.


LOL yeah...how well do you think such a terrorist recruiting campaign would work?

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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2007, 05:45:02 AM »
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Terrorism is done by brown people, often but not always with beard. There is your racial profile.



LOL!  You don't goose step around the bush do you?  So, anyone with a tan is fair game?


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« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2007, 05:51:37 AM »
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LOL yeah...how well do you think such a terrorist recruiting campaign would work?



Worked on David Hicks.



He's an example of why profiling isn't effective.


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« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2007, 08:22:17 AM »
profiling is a good place to start... not end.

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« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2007, 09:29:26 AM »
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profiling is a good place to start... not end.

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Exactly... Watch everyone, but ESPECIALLY those with the damned deadly track records.
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« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2007, 01:14:52 PM »
As Spain found out the hard way, staying in or leaving Iraq doesn't make a bit of difference to the Jihadis. In fact, after promising no more attacks in Spain if they would just withdraw, Al Qaeda has continued to be active in Spain declaring that: "We will not be in peace until we set our foot again in our beloved al-Andalus" just a little while ago. In other words, its not over until Spain is an Islamic nation ruled by Sharia. In fact, its not over until all the world is part of the Dar-El-Islam, the Caliphate is established, and all the non-muslim apes and pigs are subjugated or eliminated. As such, there is no "end date" for what we incorrectly call "the war on terror" from the Jihadi perspective it goes on until total victory is achieved. So Western nations withdrawing from here or invading over there will never end the conflict, the only value these actions have is as they help or hinder one side or the other.

Now as far as the non-Muslim nations are concerned, from 611 to about 1700 we had a period of constant war with the Jihadis as Islam started and then massively expanded throughout the Middle East, Near East, Indian Subcontinent, Eastern Europe, Iberian Peninsula and Africa via wars of conquest and through the Pacific via trade and alliances. Generally speaking, once those areas were integrated into the Dar-El-Islam, they never left it. At several points, Western Europe was almost conquered by the Islamic Jihad. From 1700 to the mid 1900s we enjoyed a brief respite because, for the most part, Islam was not present in the West and the Western powers were essentially "sitting" on the Islamic world, both by propping up the Ottomans (who provided the illusion of caliphate and the suppression of pan-Islamic radicals) and colonial rule. That situation changed dramatically with the end of the Ottoman Empire and Western colonial rule and the beginning of reverse colonization via Islamic immigration into Europe and the United States from these former colonies. In essence, we hit the pause button on the Jihad for about 200 years, but now the "PLAY" button has definitely been pressed and is even more dangerous because the Jihad is now being waged mostly via "asymmetrical" warfare, and utilizing fully what they perceive as our own weaknesses and we would call “civilization, ethics, and the rule of law.”

Leave Iraq or stay, leave Afghanistan or stay, the war will continue because it is an integral part of the comprehensive ideology that is Islam. Peace for them is achieved through complete victory, hence the Al Qaeda statement that there will  not be peace in that area until Spain ceases to exist as Spain and become Al-Andalusia once again. As such our options are contain, eliminate or convert. Co-exist is not an option they offer. Personally, I don’t believe we have the will or the ability to do any of these, so it’s going to be a very difficult and horrifying century to say the least.
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« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2007, 01:48:25 PM »
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LOL yeah...how well do you think such a terrorist recruiting campaign would work?


Heck Hortland, recruiting someone isn't the problem Bro.  You can always find someone to sell a product to, regardless age, race, gender......................y a just have to know how to sell it.

The bigger issue at hand IMHO is how to teach the enforcers how not to fall into the "Profiling" catigory.  Too much it missed when you start looking in only one direction, bad thing about it.........profiling can become habitual.  Been there done it, out of 12 years, marked unit, drug interdiction (lookin for the transporters) my first two years were spent profiling.  Results, popping small time users, small time sellers.  Fortunitly I had someone point out my bad habits of profiling (Called a Courtroom Judge lol).

Once the profiling stopped, target aquirement greatly improved...................to include the lumbering RV, driven by none other than "Grandpa & Grandma" gray hairs, comin back from vactions (was one of the better busts :D )  lol.