Gang warfare in military

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Atoon
Just saw a CBS clip on known gangs within US military.  Jawan Johnson, had served in Iraq & was stationed in Germany and "in the process of discharging" (quote from deceased's mother). He was due to return home to his wife & newborn son. The report says he was killed by enlisted men during a gang initiation "jump-in", which means you get jumped by multiple current gang members. The report then went on to show gang graffiti on military vehicles, bases, property, & on various walls in Iraq cities. It had many photos of US military, flashing known gang-signs at various night clubs frequented by US military.

Originally posted by Jackal1
Define "gang" please.

Why are you asking of this?   Are you lacking in reading comprehension?   If you do NOT know the definition of "gang" being used in this thread, Why even post in it?

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by USRanger
I am teh sociopath!!!!!1

I thank you for your service "sociopath".   <>

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Dago
Is this board really inhabited with those who don't understand simple terms and typical descriptions?

I would suggest if you find yourself in need of a definition of anything in the fugure, you go to Websters dictionary.

If you don`t think you can handle giving me "your" definition, that`s what I was expecting. That`s fine. Leave it to the media. They will not steer you wrong.

[zilla]

The percentage of gang activity in the military is not the issue, even .0001 % should not be acceptable. The problem needs to be handled, and probably is being handled, by the military. I saw the news story and thought to myself that the young soldier probably did not know what he was getting himself into. The gangs are glorified by popular culture and seen as a way to be cool and gain respect. It is a shame that being a war veteran returning home will not get you more respect. Perhaps pop culture is wrong again. I am going to look around and try to find out when flights of troops returning home are arriving at the airport. I am not so busy that I can't take some time to greet a few young soldiers and let them know that I think that they are cool. They don't need to join a gang to get my respect. They already have it. For what that's worth.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Dago
Jackal made no point.

You said. And I quote ............................. .

Make gang membership a capital offense, and carry out the punishment.

You can`t or want define gang....................but you wish "gang members" to be put to death..........or at the very least, jailed.
According to the media version of "gang" I`m on the list and have been for most of my life. Wanna carry out your sentence there judge?

[Masherbrum]

You still haven't made a point.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
You still haven't made a point.

I am not the one wish "gang" membership to be a capital offense.
If I need anything from you I`ll call. Don`t hang around waiting.

[VOR]

Yes, there is a problem. No, it's not being handled.

You can't catch everyone and when you do get one, it's not always possible to make it stick. Due process exists here just like out there. There's a difference between knowing Joe X is a ****bag barracks drug pusher and actually being able to prove it in a court martial proceeding.


Eagler has it about right.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Jackal1
I am not the one wish "gang" membership to be a capital offense.
If I need anything from you I' ll call. Don`t hang around waiting.

I'll take this as you "support Gangs within the United States Military."   If you CANNOT understand the "definition of gangs" mentioned BOTH in the article AND the same interpretation by Dago, we cannot help you.

[FrodeMk3]

I kinda wonder what sort of damage that a story like this, in widespread press, will do to recruitment?Or general morale, for that matter?

I'm kind of amazed it made it into the public eye, really. This problem should have been handled in-house, so to speak.

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
You old fool, even the U.S. military recognizes that about FOUR PERCENT of its troops are SOCIOPATHS.  Add to that various other anti-social personality disorders, and you can easily get 10%.

Check out this study
https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg.nsf/0/bd7eed04567bfe2b85256e3b002f29c1?OpenDocument

And saying that I need to serve in the military and 'live the life' to be able to speak on the matter, thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  Obviously you didn't utilize your G.I. Bill.

And that study is supposed to indicate what??? That there are people in the military that have no problem with killing the enemy?? So what. This thread is about gang violence in the military and you stated in your earlier thread that at least 6-10% of troops are murderers. I told you that you were wrong and I stand by it. I also stand by my statement that you need to serve before you can accurately comment about life and people in the military. On this subject your book education doesn't matter a damn bit.

You can read all the reports and studies you want. Until you've been in the field, lived the life of a soilder, endured the hardships, pain, and sacrifice that comes as part of the job, you will NEVER know what life is like in the military.

You want to call me an old fool??? I've spent my entire adult life up to this point serving my country and doing something that makes a differance. I have been in combat, I have killed in the service of my country and my fellow soilders, and I'll carry that responsiblity to my grave. I don't regret a single thing I have done in my career. Does that make me a murderer??? To a young punk like you it probably does.

By the way, I'm a half semester away from having my Bachelors degree in Electronic Engineering, so YES I am an educated man, but I can say this. My life experiance in the military has taught me more than I will EVER learn sitting in a classroom reading a book, so I'll say it again. Put on the uniform and live the life before you go commenting on the men and women that serve this country. It's real easy to sit back and toss out links from some bull**** studies that have nothing to do with the topic and pull some random figures out of your butt. It takes a real man to put his money where his mouth is and soilder up. Of course we all know your not a real man so I suppose that whole point is moot.

The simple FACT is that you have NO clue about what your talking about. Why don't you go back and sit in your classroom and keep pretending your so much more superior than everyone else because of your "education" and leave the real world alone.

[Rich46yo]

In USAF if you were caught gangbanging you might last 1 minute. If you were lucky you might just be bounced on a general, unless, they wanted to make an example of you. I bet to this day you'd never see a gang tag on an Air Force base. They would step on you like you were a bug.

[wooley]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
In USAF if you were caught gangbanging you might last 1 minute. If you were lucky you might just be bounced on a general, unless, they wanted to make an example of you. I bet to this day you'd never see a gang tag on an Air Force base. They would step on you like you were a bug.

Not to make light of a serious discussion, but as a Brit I can't help s******ing like a 12 year old every time I hear someone talking about 'gangbanging'. It has a completely different meaning back home.

[Hornet33]

I know the Coast Guard doesn't deal with that crap at all. We had one guy that came to the ship out of basic. Young black guy from Louisville Kentucky. Well when he came in the Guard he had a couple of gold caps on his teeth and accourding to him he had his gang symbol eched in the gold. Well at boot they went in and removed the gold caps and put regular ones on and everything and it pissed him off. He went on leave after about 5 months onboard and when he came back he had the gold caps with the gang crap on them again. His Chief saw them and went off. Took all of about 2 weeks and he was gone. Dishonorable discharge, 3 months in the brig before they let him out, reduction to E1.

It was kind of a shame really because he was a good sailor. He worked hard, never messed with anyone, but he had to have his gangsta look going on and that just doesn't work in the Coast Guard. By doing what he did he failed to obey a direct order, defaced government property, and was no longer within uniform regulations. Bye bye...see ya.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Hornet33
You want to call me an old fool??? I've spent my entire adult life up to this point serving my country and doing something that makes a differance. I have been in combat, I have killed in the service of my country and my fellow soilders, and I'll carry that responsiblity to my grave. I don't regret a single thing I have done in my career. Does that make me a murderer??? To a young punk like you it probably does.

By the way, I'm a half semester away from having my Bachelors degree in Electronic Engineering, so YES I am an educated man, but I can say this.

The simple FACT is that you have NO clue about what your talking about. Why don't you go back and sit in your classroom and keep pretending your so much more superior than everyone else because of your "education" and leave the real world alone.

You aren't an old fool.

I chose the education route, instead of the Army.   I think about "I wish I would have done a 3-4 year hitch out of HS" everyday.  

Folks like Aquashrimp are "elitist wannabe's".   I laugh at em daily here at Pfizer, just as I did at Ford WHQ's.  

Hornet33, I was raised in a somewhat military household.   I also "Thank" every Vet I come across in life, because I know "Why they did it."    People like Aquashrimp are selfish in life, so the military would chew him up and spit him out.    Why?   He doesn't realize it's about the man next to you.  

<> Hornet33, thanks for serving and congrats on the upcoming B.S. degree!