Open carry test

[Rolex]

I wonder if the outcome would have been the same if it wasn't being videotaped.  Maybe yes, and maybe no. I also wonder why the original officers seemed unaware that no law was being broken. They should have known that.

But, I can understand the curiosity about someone carrying a holstered pistol. Let's face it, you don't see it very often and probably even less in one of the safest states in the US. What if he had been carrying other weapons unlawfully concealed and was a nutcase like the Virginia Tech killer? The officer was justified in my opinion to at least talk to him and get a closer look. After talking to the guy, he should have recognized the situation for what it was.

As for the drama queen friend, being annoying and childlike is not a crime. If it were, most talk show pundits, politicians and even some O'Club posters would be criminals.

I have great respect for the many dedicated police who do their underpaid jobs with maturity and competence. I have little respect for police who strap a chip on their shoulder along with the gun. The ones who provoke confrontations, lecture people or think everyone is a bad guy.

I think the original officer should have been the one to say that the event was over and everyone is free to go about their business and exercise their rights. That would have been a good ending.

[john9001]

a citizen should have the right to put cuffs on a cop if the citizen feels threatened by the cop, to protect the cop of course.

[TalonX]

Originally posted by x0847Marine


Personally, either the armed dude sits, puts hands where I can see them and does everything I say when I say, or he goes to jail for delaying / obstructing (Ca PC148). The instant he didn't put the cell phone down, he goes to jail... the police don't have to argue with people into compliance re: officer safety.

The "police" can't hassle anyone they feel like either.    I think it went well, considering.   The police are used to abject obedience, just like Marine.   Confronting a knowledgeable citizen, they did the right thing and hung back.  

Whoever said his friend was annoying had that right...talk about a jerk.

Anyway, I think this guy does this for effect.  Was entertaining.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by MORAY37
Intersting vid, thank you for posting.  

I'm a little on the fence in this one... how could you not be required to present I.D. to a uniformed, credentialed officer at any time?  And to not have to present certification of right to carry?  Second Ammendment rights aside...that is stupid.  Guy walks down the street with a holstered weapon, on the way into a  bar, and you're going to argue that the cops have no right to even stop him?  

Also, the clown in the video, waving his hands in the second responding officer's face... how he avoided cell time is beyond me.  They were well within the rights of on scene safety to order him to leave or to restrain him.  Running around like the little conspiracy theorist.."my friend is being accosted...he can't go here ha can't... blah blah blah."  The cops were obviously in very low response mode... as someone else pointed out, they even had their backs to him.  Accosted is physically restraining him...which they never did.  (it was funny that one cop started laughing when he was yelling about his friend being accosted)

The accosted comes from the idea that if the guy who was openly carrying wanted to leave, he couldn't.  Arresting someone doesn't just mean putting cuffs on them, but preventing them from leaving.  With two cops bracketing him, and a third on the way, he had every right to believe that he was being accosted.  Couple on to that the fact that they were stopping him for doing nothing wrong.

There was an interesting case here about some weird things happening during traffic stops concerning whether or not someone is free to leave.  Look up the thread.  Basically, if you are the passenger in a vehicle that gets stopped, can you just up and leave?  Most people would not for fear of their own safety due to a reaction from an officer.

[lazs2]

my thinking is that there are too many people who simply have a moray type fear of firearms that is not reasonable.

If as rolex says...  it is "reasonable" to want to question someone who is lawfully carrying a firearm out in the open then.. something is wrong with the system and more people need to carry openly and lawfully in that state so that people become accustomed to it and the laws of that state..

the guy was doing everyone a favor.   What good is the right to carry openly if the rest of you clowns think that to do so should cause you to be accosted by police even if you are simply walking on a sidewalk and in no (other) way acting in any manner that would be suspicious or indicate lawlessness?

and wrag.. xmarine does not go into danger every day.. hasn't for 20 years or so.  spent less time in than out.

lazs

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by x0847Marine

Like dude in the video, I say put down the phone for my safety, he declines, I put cuffs on him... if everything checks out ok dokey, I might choose to book & release, or just let him go. Perhaps you have heard of an "attitude arrest"? being booked / released is an amazing attitude adjustment tool, and some people actually learn from it... next time a cop says put something down for officer safety, they comply.

How is a cell phone dangerous to a cop?Even in a clenched fist?..i dont think so...A video camera..Yes.I'd put that down but leave it running.

The only thing the cop is afraid of is the cell camera and the fact it might be transmitting.


Attitude arrest?..I'll have to look that on up in the crimminal code.

[Thrawn]

x0847Marine, you are a bully and a thug.  Those citizens that you accost paid your ****ing salary and your job was to protect and serve them, not give them attitude adjustments.  People like you are exactly the kind of people that in worse situations end up in the gestapo.  

You have some serious ego issues, and unfortunately alot of people that should be spending time in therapy end up becoming cops in order to power trip.

[john9001]

wow, i agree with Thrawn about something!
:D

[FrodeMk3]

I'm kinda wondering if this was staged, With the cops' in on it. The whole thing's kinda weird.

[Tango]

I find it more funny in that Marine would be more worried about the guy using the cell phone as a weapon than the gun he has on his hip.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Thrawn
x0847Marine, you are a bully and a thug.  Those citizens that you accost paid your ****ing salary and your job was to protect and serve them, not give them attitude adjustments.  People like you are exactly the kind of people that in worse situations end up in the gestapo.  

You have some serious ego issues, and unfortunately alot of people that should be spending time in therapy end up becoming cops in order to power trip.

Yup, Xmarine was obviously one of those small-dicked cops who got off on bullying people as opposed to protecting and serving.  The citizenry of Kalifornia are a bit safer now that he is off the streets.

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by Tango
I find it more funny in that Marine would be more worried about the guy using the cell phone as a weapon than the gun he has on his hip.

we need a cuffed smile thingie w a black eye

[Chairboy]

Y'all should be nice to Marine, working in mall security after over 12 years on parking duty is quite a change, and some folks don't adapt well to their new responsibilities.

[Gunthr]

one more aspect, a common sense thing...  in Broward County, FL, 2 cops have been shot dead in the past week or two.    I think an open carry test may well depend on where and when it happens.  People forget that cops are people too, with families that they would like to return to after a days work.  They are not lawyers, just people like you and me.

[SirLoin]

Ya..but how many crimminals carry a holstered gun?