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« Reply #105 on: October 02, 2007, 12:55:13 PM »
A thread full of "macho's" with a lack of balls.
Funny to look at how the debate immediately seperates into Euros vs Americans.
And funny how little it rattles when claims as women's rights to vote come on the table.

Ladies?
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« Reply #106 on: October 02, 2007, 01:17:23 PM »
In other words you've got no answer to refute machos without balls.  What does balls have to do with ethics anyway?
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« Reply #107 on: October 02, 2007, 01:59:34 PM »
OK, Angus...

There is both good and bad in each person. This is a fact.

We are all sisters and brothers sharing our existance on this planet.

I believe in acentuating the positive in people and giving them respect even if they act out. We all have problems...

Making broad based assumptions about anything is bound to be incorrect as much or more than it is correct, in the absence of true fact.

I had an interesting conversation with a particular guy in Europe who had never been to the USA... and was amused listening to this "expert" tell me all about "Americans". Such as... Americans are too stupid to be able to drive a stick shift... that is why they all drive automatics. I laughed all the way back to my hotel driving my rental car with it's stick shift. I figured why spoil his pretend world.

What I am reading on this thread is full of passion. That is a good thing.

WE... are all reading what each other has written... that can not help but bring us all closer together at some point.

I am sure Laz has a good heart. M00t, Steve, Curval, Angus Holden, Dread, and all the others are not statanic, quite the reverse. I believe them to all be good hearted men. Strongly opinionated perhaps... but thats ok. It is still a somewhat free country.

Collectively we are so much more powerful than N number of individuals.

The discussion I see, about women's suffrage, seems to be more about party lines and economic lines and educational lines than anything else.

M00t, you strike me as a very good guy. Perhaps you need to set your standards higher if you are dissasisfied with the type of women you have had relationships with. No kidding... I have never understood what men see in bimbo types. And yes.. contrary to so-called guy myth there are many different types of women... just as there are many different types of men.

I would personally be alone for the rest of my life than get into a relationship with the wrong man (for me) simply for the sake of not being alone. The right mate for each of us is always worth the wait... but we each also must measure up in return.

God Bless you all...

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« Reply #108 on: October 02, 2007, 02:10:37 PM »
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Each time yo do you reveal your poor grasp of the written word


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« Reply #109 on: October 02, 2007, 02:18:41 PM »
Moot...I'll respond when I have more time to read your post.  It looks interesting but just too much to get into right now.

Tigress, same applies to you.  Nice post.
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« Reply #110 on: October 02, 2007, 02:31:33 PM »
curval...his point was that it was you who put words in his mouth... you assume that he doesn't have the balls to be honest with his wife... this would indicate that it way you who did not have the balls to be honest with women the way I see it...  

hornet... no.. at least in my case, the arguement is not to remove  womens right to vote because they lack analytical ability... not at all... it is because they lack the ability to see past the nest.   they lack any ability to not trade security for freedom.. they are hardwired that way I believe but... it is obvious (by looking at your-0-peeeans) that men are capable of learning to act like women in this regard.

tigress.. thank you for being in the conversation.. what you say is very revealing.

all of us here are great guys for instance... just little children... some mothers son... not really bad guys...  That is the problem... A lot of voting has to do with crime... women really have no clue when it comes to the criminal since... by and large.. in any important way.. they are not criminals... they don't see the men who are for what they are.

women are not stupid but they are hardwired to ignore mens failings.   they don't see a scum of the earth sociopath who needs to be executed (unless he kills one of theirs)... they see some poor little boy who is really really really sorry he broke the cookie jar and just needs a hug.

they are not stupid but... they send letters to the death row inmates and marry them.. it is because they are incapable FOR WHATEVER REASON of understanding these men as other men do.

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« Reply #111 on: October 02, 2007, 02:42:28 PM »
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curval...his point was that it was you who put words in his mouth... you assume that he doesn't have the balls to be honest with his wife... this would indicate that it way you who did not have the balls to be honest with women the way I see it...


Ummmm...can you try again, in English this time?
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« Reply #112 on: October 02, 2007, 02:52:26 PM »
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curval...his point was that it was you who put words in his mouth... you assume that he doesn't have the balls to be honest with his wife... this would indicate that it way you who did not have the balls to be honest with women the way I see it...  

hornet... no.. at least in my case, the arguement is not to remove  womens right to vote because they lack analytical ability... not at all... it is because they lack the ability to see past the nest.   they lack any ability to not trade security for freedom.. they are hardwired that way I believe but... it is obvious (by looking at your-0-peeeans) that men are capable of learning to act like women in this regard.

tigress.. thank you for being in the conversation.. what you say is very revealing.

all of us here are great guys for instance... just little children... some mothers son... not really bad guys...  That is the problem... A lot of voting has to do with crime... women really have no clue when it comes to the criminal since... by and large.. in any important way.. they are not criminals... they don't see the men who are for what they are.

women are not stupid but they are hardwired to ignore mens failings.   they don't see a scum of the earth sociopath who needs to be executed (unless he kills one of theirs)... they see some poor little boy who is really really really sorry he broke the cookie jar and just needs a hug.

they are not stupid but... they send letters to the death row inmates and marry them.. it is because they are incapable FOR WHATEVER REASON of understanding these men as other men do.

lazs






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Should all men be judged on the behavior of some men?

Should all women be judged on the behavior of some women?

One of my favorite quotes reads as follows...

"ALL GENERAL STATEMENTS ARE BAD."

Which in itself, IS a general statement; and if true, negates itself.

I learned a long time ago... broad based assumptions are boomarangs.

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« Reply #113 on: October 02, 2007, 02:52:40 PM »
Thanks Curval.  Hornet's post is good too, the end of it I agree with almost to a tee.
The first "way" in Lazs' post threw me off too, but it's probably a typo for 'was'.

Lazs, I don't think women are hardwired that way. Maybe hundreds or thousands of years of conditioning, but not hardwired.  The brain's plasticity can definitely overcome something as basic as those mostly ill-adapted dovey patterns.  
I have known and been with a number of girls and women who were no less feminine than most real classy supermodels, and yet were tough and rugged, very smart without any neurotics or over-intellectual eggheadisms.  They had their flaws like most anyone else, but they were free of those immaturities and obsolete traditions. ( I could probably add something more intelligible, but it's been another 10h workday, and I've got 4.5 hours left as of right now to get some rest and start all over. :lol )
I am pretty sure there is a masculine analogous for women, I haven't given it much precise thought, though.

Tigress, thanks, and I agree with what you say, and I'd conclude that "I would personally be alone for the rest of my life than get into a relationship with the wrong man (for me) simply for the sake of not being alone. The right mate for each of us is always worth the wait... but we each also must measure up in return." too :)  
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« Reply #114 on: October 02, 2007, 03:02:10 PM »
curval "Pfffft.

I'll bet your wife would give you one heck of a smack down if she read what you wrote....as well she should."

you bet that all women would act as yours would.   I don't know about his but I would say and have, anything I have said here to my girlfriend.   my point was that you wouldn't so you assume the same level of dishonesty in him.

moot... It seems like it would be a useful thing for women to be hardwired that way due to strength and hunting ability from the beggining.. it may not be true.. but.. it is a fact of life today.. I don't really care why it is.. I deal with the reality... it just seems logical that it is hardwired.

tigress... of course men are rapists and child molesters... they are also assailants and murderers and worse.   it is in our genetics to be such.  most are able to overcome it.  you would be unwise tho...  or simply a woman... to not think that we were all capable of at least some of those things.

The men here will know what I am talking about...you will not.

see how simple this is once you get to the point?  

We can make this as complex as we want but the world is what it is... for whatever reason... men are men and women are women...

Trying to blur those lines is pointless to the discussion.   Obviously.. there are exceptions to every generalization...that does not take away from the value of a good generalization tho.

It is by generalizing that we become good hunters or stay out of danger.

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« Reply #115 on: October 02, 2007, 03:03:41 PM »
and moot.. with all due respect... if you "know" women who act like men then I would say that you simply don't know them as well as you think you do.

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« Reply #116 on: October 02, 2007, 03:22:48 PM »
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you bet that all women would act as yours would.  


Mine has no reason to...and has never done so.

If I wrote what Steve did, in an effort to make myself look very manly and "lazs-like" on a BBS and she found out I would fully expect my wife to be pretty upset.  I imagine she'd be wondering who the heck I was and probably re-examining the reasons she fell in love with me.  A "smack down" can come in many different forms.  I'm sure the first question she'd ask would be "Do you REALLY feel that way about women...including me?"

But, I don't have to worry about that.
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« Reply #117 on: October 02, 2007, 03:24:45 PM »
Lazs, we can argue, but I am certain that education in all its shapes and forms will determine all but a negligible portion of someone's psychology.  There will be hardwired patterns of course, but they are negligible as relates to something as upper-minded, as conscious as relationships and their ethics, in the personal and general sense (a sticking point here is that some people do not do these consciously, which makes up-bringing more of a factor, in most people).  I am pretty sure of this from the litterature I've come across in my school and personal studies, as well as in my personal experience.
You could very well breed a female baby to grow up into a total (negligible hardwired tendencies as I said) tommy boy of schwarzeneggerish barbarian proportions and qualities...

I know what you mean, and I know that what I've seen was genuine.  And to tell the whole story, I was very disappointed when one of them just fell right back into the "womanly" habits... it was like she de-evolved.  Much less ambitious, resilient.. less self-sufficient, less irreverent and much more traditional.
It is just a matter of will and discipline, of not going for the less reasoned path of least resistence of instincs.
Women who write to and marry death-row inmates are either stupid or more or less consciously choose to ignore the obvious red flags because their ethics system is flawed.  Or they've thrown ethics out the window (too many rules and regulations, not enough self-indulgence and pleasurable payback) and short-circuited their satisfaction with the illusion that smiling and laughing is a good sign no matter (for example) how much blood is on the guy's hands.

I know what I saw and I will admit it is a very small proportion of all I've known.  Surely negligible enough for you justifiably describe the overall behavioral trends as you do. I could say that men probably are just as condemnable on an absolute scale, but in my opinion, the true form of human accomplishment is favored by a lifestyle more like the primal man (hunting, taking the risks in the wild etc) than like the primal woman (staying home, protecting from rather than preparing for the worst, etc).
So it is more by circumstance than by nature that women, in my opinion, get the short end of the deal.  Not short enough that lucidity and honest work can't overcome it though.  A proper education should be enough (how's your grand-daughter coming along under your tutoring?).  It is still a gamble though, unless you've got the odds on your side (psychiatric know-how, no excessive influence from outside, etc).
I'd go on but I'm really tired. :)  Sorry if this post isn't clear but I'm just too beat up.
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« Reply #118 on: October 02, 2007, 04:57:15 PM »
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I've been soundly defeated in the debate here, as I should have been, because I really don't have anything to say and have difficulty understanding what people are posting.


Yes, you should move along.  You've established that you have really nothing to say except to claim others aren't being honest, without having any data/facts to support your assertion. You argue like a woman.

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« Reply #119 on: October 03, 2007, 02:16:52 AM »
Ironically, a woman recently said this:  

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If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about another Democrat president. It's kind of a pipe dream, it's a personal fantasy of mine, but I don't think it's going to happen. And it is a good way of making the point that women are voting so stupidly, at least single women.