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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2007, 04:16:34 PM »
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Exactly this why 13 year olds aren't considered adults - they are ineligible to make decisions themselves. They can be too easily manipulated to make a decision.


True. But he was a 20 year old man when he volunteered for the SS at a time when there was no conscription into that unit.

How do you explain that?
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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2007, 04:28:11 PM »
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True. But he was a 20 year old man when he volunteered for the SS at a time when there was no conscription into that unit.

How do you explain that?


Let's see.. he lived 7 to 8 years under constant propaganda and everyone around him did the same thing. If 13 year old can be easily manipulated, I don't think a 20 year old is that much wiser yet. Often it's the lack of life experience and short sightedness. They don't think their life 5 years ahead, good if even a year ahead. Only difference is that 20 year old are expected to take responsibility. Doesn't quite work though - Every year many lose their life when doing something totally stupid without a thought of better.

Apparently he and many others have got wiser after the war.


Eitherway, volunteering for the Waffen-SS still doesn't make a person bad. Volunteering for the Allgemeine-SS would be something else. The problem is that the people can't see the difference between the two sections of SS.

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Whilst the Waffen-SS, due to its close links to the Nazi party was declared a criminal organisation there exists very little evidence that the 900,000 men in it were organised to achieve war crimes. Most of the serious evidence concerns two particular formations the Dirlewanger and Kaminski Brigades. As is explained below their very nature and composition made them atypical of the Waffen-SS and therefore seen by those inside it as not part of it
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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2007, 04:38:53 PM »
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Eitherway, volunteering for the Waffen-SS still doesn't make a person bad.  


Volunteering for the Waffen SS combined with serving at a death camp won`t get him Boy scout of the year.
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2007, 04:41:52 PM »
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Let's see.. he lived 7 to 8 years under constant propaganda and everyone around him did the same thing. If 13 year old can be easily manipulated, I don't think a 20 year old is that much wiser yet. Often it's the lack of life experience and short sightedness. They don't think their life 5 years ahead, good if even a year ahead. Only difference is that 20 year old are expected to take responsibility. Doesn't quite work though - Every year many lose their life when doing something totally stupid without a thought of better.

Apparently he and many others have got wiser after the war.


Eitherway, volunteering for the Waffen-SS still doesn't make a person bad. Volunteering for the Allgemeine-SS would be something else. The problem is that the people can't see the difference between the two sections of SS.


everyone in this thread who being a kid  in 1934 would more then likely joined the Hitler Youth. then when they got old enough to enlist would haved gone for the Waffen-SS because of the propaganda they endured every day. But in the US we are used to spielburgs propaganda where the only good German is a dead one, after all the best time to shoot them is when they surrender, but there are more important things to go after then some old guy who paying his taxes, learning english and doing something other then running a leafblower with his life then deporting him. Look at the names involved in the article. I though justice was supposed to be impartial.
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2007, 04:43:11 PM »
gee people, soon all the ex nazi camp guards will be dead from old age. then what will we do?

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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2007, 04:43:51 PM »
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Volunteering for the Waffen SS combined with serving at a death camp won`t get him Boy scout of the year.


Like I've said, I want to know more details. I don't mind him serving in the Waffen-SS and I respect them as much as any other soldier. As long as they haven't committed war crimes - Which also includes the soldiers of other branches and countries.

Let me remind you that the US armed forces didn't either go without war crimes, even if they got out of it without a single conviction.

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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2007, 04:45:30 PM »
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gee people, soon all the ex nazi camp guards will be dead from old age. then what will we do?


Well i guess at that point the nazi hunter company will go out of business.


Isn't bombing  known civilian areas just as bad as gassing people? I'm pretty sure all sides did that at one time or another.
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« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2007, 04:45:35 PM »
Stopped reading when you came to the part you liked Fishu?

Many formations within the Waffen-SS were found guilty of war crimes in all theatres they served; in the west the most infamous incidents included Wormhoudt, Le Paradis, Oradour-sur-Glane, Tulle, Marzabotto, murders of over 150 Canadian soldiers taken prisoner in the Battle of Normandy (see the 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend article for details) and captured Americans in the Malmedy massacre. In the ten or so years after the war it became possible to re-examine the facts in a 'cooler' environment and in some cases reverse the imposed penalties. For example, Major-General Kurt Meyer's death sentence was commuted following a review by Canadian military officials, although his conviction for inciting his men to 'give no quarter' remained intact. In the east, many of the premier combat divisions within the Waffen SS were tainted by numerous accusations of battlefield and civilian atrocities.

The Dirlewanger and Kaminski Brigades (later to become the 36.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS and 29.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (russische Nr.1) respectively) were notorious for their reputation in the east. These formations, composed mostly of ex-Einsatzgruppen, released criminals and Russian Prisoners of War and commanded by the fanatical Nazis Oskar Dirlewanger Nicolaus Uhl and Bronislaw Kaminski, were engaged in numerous atrocities throughout their existence. After their actions in putting down the Warsaw Uprising, complaints from the Wehrmacht resulted in these units being dissolved and several members (including Kaminski) being tried and executed for their role in several incidents.

Similarly, the Waffen-Sturm-Brigade RONA had a combat record riddled with atrocities[citation needed] as well as abysmal conduct when faced with front line service.

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« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2007, 04:48:00 PM »
on the history channel I forget which show was some old geezer from the  US Army blabbering about somthing then he said. "We captured a whole lot. one of them said to me the war is over for us and soon we shall be in the US with your girlfriends."then this old geezer said "needless to say that whole bunch did not get back to the transfer station. I do not know what happened to them WINK WINK. I though you old warcrime commiting POS.
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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2007, 04:54:02 PM »
Since we're delving into this guys' history...what did he do after the 6 months' he spent at the camps? Where was he reposted? He might have seen what was going on there, and taken a reposting to the russian front, for all we know.

Too many are stuck on the part that he was a concentration-camp guard. That was for just a short stint. They'll need witnesses', or other physical evidence, that he physically turned the dog's loose on prisoners, before they can stick anything on him.

Now, the Justice Department might turn him over to someone like Isreal, where just the fact he was in German service during the Second world war will earn him a death sentence. But, that's still dependent on a U.S. court ruling, first.

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« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2007, 04:56:09 PM »
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Stopped reading when you came to the part you liked Fishu?


The key word here is 'organized'. The primary function of Waffen-SS was to fight the battles, not to slaughter people.

I'm sure you could find "many" formations of the US armed forces that have committed war crimes. In some occasions surrendered germans were gunned down, but the world only remembers the germans who gunned down PoW's.

The Dirlewanger and Kaminski brigades were totally filthy rats with no rival though. Not sure whether any soviet brigades could compare with them.


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In the east, many of the premier combat divisions within the Waffen SS were tainted by numerous accusations of battlefield and civilian atrocitie


I don't know many armies which didn't commit attrocities against civilians, especially in the east. The double stantards are obvious - Germans are the bad guys who did all the bad and all the allies are saints who did no wrong.

These double stantards are the most apparent in the eastern front. The world talks of the german attrocities against civilians, but turns a blind eye to the soviet attrocities. There's not a word of the finnish villages that were wiped from the face of the earth along with their civilian habitants. I wonder how many german civilians faced this faith in the hands of the soviets. Killing of PoW's was an every day affair in the east and nobody knows for sure which side started it.
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« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2007, 05:10:33 PM »
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Paperwork filed by the Criminal Division’s Office of Special Investigations (OSI) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) said Henss joined the Hitler Youth organization in Germany in 1934 as a 12 or 13-year-old boy and joined the Nazi Party in September 1940.

In early 1941, Henss volunteered to serve in the Waffen SS and became an SS dog handler in 1942 after serving in the elite Waffen SS combat unit “Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler.”

Investigators also said that Henss taught other concentration camp guards at Dachau and Buchwenwald how to use attack dogs to guard prisoners and prevent their escape.

I don't know, sounds like a willing participant to me.


Sorry, but Germany at that time was caught up in much like America is caught up today. He was a soldier that followed his orders and did his duty.

Because Germany lost, everything they did during the war was judged upon mainly because of the atrocities of the concentration camps. So being a SS officer in world war two was likely sought after just like a US soldier would want to become a Special Services soldier.

Being in the SS meant being the best of the best in their military. Hitler was a mad man and Germany followed him for what ever reason. I think it's pretty safe to say that in mass amounts, people are very easily led down that kind of path as long as it seems logical at the time.

Look how easily the US was led into war in Iraq because of the attacks on 9/11 which had nothing to do with Iraq. Still to this day I can not understand how people could support a war with a country that had nothing to do with it. Yet on this very board we have die hard supporters for the Iraq war that support it because they think it's part of the war on terrorism.

So now look back at Hitler and see how he used Jews as an example as for everything that was wrong with Germany and the world.  Just like we have American citizens whom don't give a **** about the general population in Iraq or the harm that has come to them under our war. In Germany they had the same attitude toward the Jews.

This might piss people off but I don't care, because if you look close enough there are parallels to Nazi Germany and what goes on today in our supposed war on terror.

Sure we aren't setting up concentration camps and exterminating Muslims, but the general population in this country was mislead down the wrong path just the same as the Germans were in ww2. Luckily most of America has woken up and can see what is wrong in Iraq and why it was a wrong decision to go to war there. Sad to say it was a little late for the average Iraqi citizen.

Remember it's always the winners that write history. I say as long as the guy wasn't a high ranking officer then he was just doing his job, just like any other soldier would do. He just happened to be on the losing side the side which is judged.
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« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2007, 05:14:13 PM »
The difference is the Jews do not do anything worse then being whiny little bishes. While muslims suicide bomb our Trade Centers, trains, and buses.
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« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2007, 05:24:48 PM »
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Even though this guy is 85 and Boooosh wasn't born yet when this happened, booosh was able to go back in time with doc emmit brown, and talk to him and tell him to commit attrocities. Being that he was just a normal guy, he ignored evil booosh, and came to america. Now Booosh is hitlers brother from another mother, but it's ok, because i don't like either of them and there the same..  yay!  


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« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2007, 05:24:50 PM »
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Sure we aren't setting up concentration camps and exterminating Muslims, but the general population in this country was mislead down the wrong path just the same as the Germans were in ww2.


Turning a blind eye to the current wrong doings could very well lead to this scenario on a long run. However many seem to accept the wrong doings on the basis that the nazis were worse.
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