Is the P-47 being dissed?

[DoNKeY]

Plus rich the pony is much more sexy!


donkey

PS: And you know it!:aok

[Brooke]

Originally posted by Wolfala

Wolfala, those are just freaking amazingly gorgeous pics.  What steps did you use to generate them?

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by DoNKeY
Plus rich the pony is much more sexy!


donkey

PS: And you know it!:aok

                            I'll go farther and say the Pony is an actual icon in American culture. I'll bet the P-51 is recognized by more Yanks then any other fighter aircraft. Even now 60 years since it last flew in combat.

                          I admit to loving the P-51. Everything about it I love and physically its a beautiful airplane and historically it symbolizes, to me, freedom and the ascension of American air power that still dominates to this day.

                        But I also pay homage to the P-47 T-bolt which also, btw, probably had a bigger impact on the war then the P-51.

[alskahawk]

In AW P-47 was a dog. In AH its a viable killer. Not as much firepower as a FW or as pretty as a P-51. Good speed, durability decent ammo load. Only real knock is same for P-51 and some other american planes. No cannons.
I've only flown the P-47 a handfull of times, well actually I've only flown most of the aircraft a handfull of times. I found the P-47 quite easy and forgiving compared to some other aircraft.
  On one flight I made a typical rookie mistake of turning with a another plane at 5k. One turn and it was 'uh oh! I screwed up. As soon as the bullets wizzed by I pulled a quick split ass, nose down and wep on, throttle pass detent and it was like a ice cream truck runnin away from a fat kid.

[Viking]

Originally posted by alskahawk
I pulled a quick split ass, nose down and wep on ...

It is not nice to moon your opponents before diving away.

[Scca]

Originally posted by Viking


It is not nice to moon your opponents before diving away.

(Cleans coffee off monitor and keyboard)

That was funny...

[NitroFish]

I will be doing my part to make the P-47 more visible. I have decided to make this my primary ride in the coming months. I hope that I don't diminish its reputation.

[Spatula]

Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Rich, Don't be fooled, the jug will not turn with a spit16 all day long, assuming you are not fighting a brand new AH player with half a clue on ACM. Anyone that claims so is more than welcome to send me their film of a dogfight with Shawk's or Skyrock's Spit16, and I'll pray everynight facing their hometown.

What will save you in the jug, is the initial capability of bleeding E faster than the other guy as mentioned by Widewing, and a lazerguided foolproof gunery. Nothing less than an old AH fox will survive a dogfight ina jug, and only if fighting against a couple of newbies.

Nice pics Wolfala.

Listen to Frenchy - he's one of the original P47 masters!

Its excellent initial turn rate and excellent firepower will get it kills. Its dive and zoom can be quite impressive too. You have to be super aggressive and go for the throat immediately and get those super-shredders pointed at your victim ASAP. Fights that progress too long play away from the Jug.
However turn fighting a spit in a jug wont go in your favour for much more than a couple of turns due to its poor acceleration compared to the spit.
Up high (15K+) the Jug shines. This is its playground and bread and butter kill zone, IMO.

[AquaShrimp]

In Aces High, at mil-power, the P47D11 burns one gallon of gas every 5 seconds.  The P-51 at mil power burns one gallon of gas every 14 seconds.

[moot]

47s zap things dead.  Range not an issue.

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
But its not as "beautiful" as the P-51 nor does it have the ponys mystique. I know its at its best up above where most of the action is going on but so are many other airplanes that one see's far more often.

                     Why is that?

I have to say, the Mustang is one of the ugliest aircraft to come out of world war two.

The Corsair and the Jug are far more impressive aircraft from an aesthetic point of view.

[moot]

Can you say elephantism, or "flies like an egyptian"?

[bj229r]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
In Aces High, at mil-power, the P47D11 burns one gallon of gas every 5 seconds.  The P-51 at mil power burns one gallon of gas every 14 seconds.

Thats why I fly nuthin but jugs! TOO big..TOO loud, burns absurd amount of gas..TOO many guns...it's got Amuurica written all over it:aok  Kinda like airplane version of Harley:lol

[trigger2]

Originally posted by Ghosth
Much like the real world. The AH Jug has both its fans and its critics.

A lot depends on who's flying it and how its flown.

Down low jugs are lunch, la5, yak, spit 16, can eat it up on average pretty easily.
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I agree with this for the most part, except for the 2nd part.
I started with the p47d-25 and d-40 learned my throttle control and how much flaps were necessary, I got to know the plane rather than hopping in a spitfire and thinking I could fly.
The p47 down low might not be as EASY to fly as up high, and might knock a little bit off of it's responce time and max turn rate, but nothing an experianced pilot couldn't make up with throttle and flap control, heck, I've been ganged by a yak9u Spit16 spit8 la5fn and la7 all at once, decided to have fun with it and make it into a stall fight with all of em on my 6, cut throttle to 25% with full flaps, and I was outturning them as they overshot one by one, they became mince meat to my 50 cals.
It all depends on who's flyin em.

Usually out of respect, unless someone in my squad asks for help, theyre attacking my package (who I'm escorting) OR theyre attacking a base, i'll let other p47/p38 pilots go. all p series pilots that know their planes, and know how to use em. P planes are great, and so are F's (i.e. Wildcat Corsair and Hellcat).

[LEADPIG]

My Jug tactics are as follows

1. Pick 50% fuel and either one or two underwing droptanks. I take all eight and the heavy ammo load just cause i like it. They don't call me LEDPIG for nothing.

2. Takeoff and climb to altitude, 12 -13k is usually good. Just be above the horde.

3. Stalk and observe your prey, dive when you can intercept at a good point. Pick targets that are highest or on the edge of the furball. Also pick targets that are unaware if possible.

4. Dive with good speed, use wep if possible. Go as fast as you can and still be able to track a target for a second if it decides to turn after seeing you. If you can't make shot keep going.

5. Look behind you to see if you've been had. If you kept your speed it's no problem. Also before making an attack be aware of who's in position to get on your tail and if you'll have the E to get away from them.

6. If you meet a con up high you can dogfight with them. But if you see yourself getting too low disengage if possible. I will dogfight Typhies, Mustangs, Lightnings, Corsairs, Hellcats. With the latter two i might go only one to one and a half turns before i disengage. At that point i've lost the advantage. Spits i generally don't dogfight unless you can catch a quick shot after the initial turn. I usually stay away from Spits unless i have some E advantage.

7.  After making an attack keep going straight for awhile start climbing after you've gotten 1-2k away. Pick an altitude and climb back up after every attack. Watch who's coming up after you.

8. If you find yourself on the deck you usually did something wrong or got greedy chasing somone too low. Remember the dense air on the deck will bleed all the E you once had. Don't dive after people too low.

9. Also i usually ignore my own tactics quite a bit and go down on the deck and fight anyway. Because, A) If you don't die you won't learn anything, so don't be afraid to die. When i do this i know i'll probably be killed anyway but it's good practice.  And also B) it's just plain fun, learn how to fight at a disadvantage, it will help you. Screw your score, get in there, and go get some.

Anyway those are my P-47 tactics i use same one in 38's and 51's. Although i'm more apt to turn fight in a 38.

Now go get yourself some!