so what do you do?

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by Tigeress
I asked a Socialist friend of mine once... If a man is about to kill your son and you had a gun, would you shoot him or let him kill your son?

She is absolutely against any form of violence and guns and the death penalty and would vote to repeal the 2nd amendment yet, said she… “I would kill him under those conditions.”

In my view, we are humans first... lefties and righties second.

We all have instincts we might not even fully appreciate till the time comes which activates them.

TIGERESS

Tigeress, i doubt you understand the word "socialist"
Someones "political" views are more left-sided so this
person would not protectand fight with every weapon
to protect his family?

big error, political views have nothing to do with what you asked for.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Id rather be a sheep than a dead dad.

S! nils thats the best thing ive seen written here for a while.

[RedTop]

Oh Batty my son,

You have brought up an interesting topic here.....good luck with it to.

[B@tfinkV]

hehe red, this was a byproduct of the latest suicide mall shooting story, this one was the guy from finland last month or so.

Nilsen VS Steve is our prime time fixture over here now

[SteveBailey]

See Rules #4, #5

[RedTop]

Nilsen has a point....his opinion is valid for him....

Steve has one also...also valid for Steve....

RedTop.....will take the 5th....and not let people know what is in RedTop's noggin. For the most part anyway:lol

[Leslie]

This was a situation where fighting back was necessary.  This is the story as my friend told it, edited for language.  We were in our early twenties when this happened.

My best friend was out nightclubbing with a girl he was dating.  They had had a few drinks and danced on those really neat lit-up disco floors (these were the days when Disco was popular.)  As they were leaving, the security guard was inside the club.  He was drinking beer and not watching the parking lot.

My friend and his girl went to the parking lot to leave about 12 o'clock.  He had a '73 Mustang which is a two-door automobile.  He opened the passenger door for her and helped her in the car.  He then went to the driver's door and opened it and got in.

He had seated himself but hadn't shut the door yet.  A guy approached out of nowhere and asked directions at first, then pulled a .25 he had stolen from a pickup truck in the same parking lot earlier that night.  He positioned himself between the driver's door and the car. The girl became absolutely hysterical screaming and the robber was becoming agitated and nervous.  He pointed the gun at the girl, stretching his arm across between the steering wheel and my friend's chest, yelling "Gimme all your money b*ch or I'll blow your watermelon away."  

My friend thought the robber was about to shoot and grabbed his arm and tried to get the gun away from him.  He said that guy was jerking his arm and going crazy trying to get his arm free. His eyes were wide open and scared.  When he broke free, the thug fell back running and fell down on the ground.  My friend started to get out of the car and I think he was going to go after the s.o.b. to protect the girl.  Thug fired one shot which hit the open driver's door dead center.  My friend at that time changed his mind about getting out of the car and dove back in and covered his date.  The robber got the heck out of there.

Armed robber was caught about a week later, and already had a list of burglaries against him.  I think this might have been the first time he tried an armed robbery and was caught.  Imho, he's very lucky my friend didn't get the gun away from him.  He probably thought my friend had retrieved a gun of his own by the time he jerked his arm loose and fell down.


Les

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
See Rules #4, #5

because nilsen has a daughter to look after and he doesnt value any material substance over his duty to raise his creation fully.

so guns make it possible for the little guy to stand proud right?

 think on this for a minute:

some times i find myself walking between houses at 2am-4am all through town and main roads. I have diverted my route to avoid groups of youths younger than me because i knew they would hassle me. does this make me a coward or smart?
 if i had a gun would i walk right up to them and if they start something i just cap them right?

gang of teenages attack me with a bat then they are going to have to get shot and probably killed.

without the gun i am being realistic. 6 youths possibly armed, ok i stand no chance of beating them without getting hurt myself so i divert wound this row of houses before they even spot me.


with the gun im suddenly able to defend myself against 6 people, if i kill them. so i walk on past them and they start some watermelon and in the end they all die.

If i have to fight then i can do so with speed and accuracy, sometimes i have had to it is never pleasant afterwards no matter how much of a rush the actual fight is. but why would i deliver myself into the situation when a carefull eye and quick diversion canavoid everything.

personaly i prefer my method of avoiding the web rather than taunting the giant spider because i have some bug spray.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Id rather be a sheep than a dead dad.

Here's a 2 word solution to the Nilsen/Lazs debate.

Exploding wallet.

You hand it over, he walks away, a few seconds later the time delay fuse triggers a 2 ounce high-explosive charge and BANG!

Dead mugger, live sheep, I mean dad.

Yup... Perfect solution. Failsafe... Patent office, here I come!

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
because nilsen has a daughter to look after and he doesnt value any material substance over his duty to raise his creation fully.

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Just so I understand this:  Because Nilsen has a daughter, were he faced with a mugger demanding his wallet, he should let the mugger decide if he lives or not?  He shouldn't try to influence whether he stays alive at all, he should let a complete stanger, who is a violent felon in possession of a weapon, decide if he lives?  This is exactly what he said he would do. The fact that this makes sense to anyone is rather appalling.

[KgB]

Originally posted by lazs2
best you can do is be prepared to shoot him dead before he kills you or someone else..  
lazs

Just wondering,so instead of disarming we need to arm everyone,did i get this right?
Thanks.

[B@tfinkV]

where nilsen lives the most dangerous thing is when it doesnt snow enough and the piste becomes solid ice. we really dont care that you like guns. if i came to visit you i would absolutely love to shoot some big ****ing guns


why cant you understand that we dont need guns to feel man enough to take on anything life will throw at us?

[SteveBailey]

See Rules #4, #5

[sgt203]

Have those of you who have a view of  "just hand it over" ever been the victim of a violent crime with an armed individual???

I have had the unfortunate experience of having to confront an armed criminal who had no problem using the firearm he had.

Two people were shot that day. One was an unarmed male who was defending his 75 year old mother from being tossed around her home during a home invasion robbery.

This criminal pointed his gun at her sons head and fired. Luckily for this brave man he put his arm over his face in an instinctive reaction and ended up taking the round in the arm instead of his face. It most likely saved his life.

The other person this "misguided soul" took a shot at happened to be me. As if that wasnt enough he then tried to run me over with his car to boot.

Well this sorry gentleman ended up being the second person that was shot that day, as I defended myself.

No.. I myself will not stand by and place my life into the hands of someone who has no reguard for the sanctity of human life. To do so in my opinion is foolish and could quite possibly cost you the life you are trying to protect with your passivity.

Deadly force should (in my opinion) always be a last resort for the protection of property.

I have said this before If im alone or with my family and someone wants to steal my car... He can have it... to me its not worth dying (or killing) over.. Same guy trys to take my car with my family still in it, he has already made the decision my car was worth HIM dying for and I will oblige him without hestitation.

As stated I personally refuse to gamble with my life or the lives of my family that some scumbag with a gun is going to be satisfied and have the clarity to decide all he wants is some property and doesnt mind leaving witnesses behind.

Now if you choose to do so that is your business.

I am sure that after they scoop up the remains of your loved ones they will most likely catch the guy that did it and he can go to prison for the rest of his miserable life. I am quite sure that thought will comfort you and keep you warm on those long and lonely nights.

I am also quite sure that if something so unfortunate were to befall anyone they would change their position on using or having firearms for personal protection..... Just a guess.

[KgB]

See Rule #5