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Offline straffo

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« Reply #105 on: November 15, 2007, 12:43:17 PM »
You're russian Dago ?

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« Reply #106 on: November 15, 2007, 01:08:56 PM »
No, he just can't stand that there might be a reason to not be condescendent to "a country like France".
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« Reply #107 on: November 15, 2007, 02:06:28 PM »
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I said often outdated not all outdated. And I was referring to all the WWI equipment you unloaded on the British like the crappy old destroyers you sold them.

The operative word here is selling. You weren't helping anyone anymore than a car salesman is "helping" me buy a new car.


Do you even have a clue to history?  Do you understand how ridiculous your indignation is here?

Of course we didn't give other nations a tremendous amount of equipment, new technology or old.  Do you think that stuff grows on trees?

Prior to 1942 the USA was basically woefully unprepared for a large war.  We didn't have the military strength or size to fight a large war.  The amazing amount of war material production, to include guns, tanks, aircraft came after we entered WW2, with just limited ramping up prior to the war.

Is it your belief the US government just snapped their fingers and this stuff appeared?  If so, you're deluded.

The government didn't have the capability to produce that type of equipment, and certainly not in quantity.  They had to contract civilian firms to produce the equipment, and it had to be paid for.  Well, guess what, the US treasury sure as heck couldn't cover the phenomenal costs, so the gov't had to borrow the money, billions of dollars, and a large part of that came from the selling of war bonds to the American public.  That's right, the average citizen had to help finance the war, spending what little spare money they had to help build the tanks, planes, make the rifles and producing millions of rounds of ammo.

So, you sit there and *****, cast your foolish accusations because the USA didn't just give away all the equipment needed to fight a war, try to remember the USA had to supply it's own forces, and wasn't prepared to do that until after 1941, and that equipment had to be paid for, it wasn't made free, it wasn't supplied to the US gov't free, and it sure as hell couldn't have been given away free to nations that sat in close proximatity to the German border.  European nations had a front row seat watching the rise of National Socializm, and if they choose not to prepare for the inevitable, it wasn't our fault.

So, go on with your "The USA is supposed to give everybody everything, and do it for free mentality", but excuse me if I hold in disdain your sense of entitlement for free welfare supplies.
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« Reply #108 on: November 15, 2007, 02:07:25 PM »
double post
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

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« Reply #109 on: November 15, 2007, 02:19:16 PM »
What you're saying only enforces my point of view. I've - never[/b] -  said you should have given anything away for free and I dare you to quote me doing so. However, many Americans, you included, seems to think think Britain and other Europeans owe America gratitude for buying your goods. This does not make sense. We owe you nothing. The US soldiers buried in France did not die for the sake of France. They died for America.



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Of course we didn't give other nations a tremendous amount of equipment, new technology or old.  


Exactly! So don't act like you did. We paid for it ... we owe you nothing. :)
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« Reply #110 on: November 15, 2007, 02:22:02 PM »
If anyone's interested here's a brief history on our 331 squadron. In 1943 it was the highest scoring Allied fighter squadron in Europe. Quite a feat considering they were too late to take part in the BoB.

http://www.europeanaf.org/history/331.htm

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« Reply #111 on: November 15, 2007, 03:27:34 PM »
Not to change the subject AGAIN but earlier in the thread Lazs asked me a question regarding tyranny.

I've thought long and hard on the subject and.....

?????

I think you answered your own question,and I quote, "I would say that the most tyranny we inflict is on ourselves.. our government does more to tyrannize it's own citizens than it ever has.. we are destroying our own constitution and bill of rights. Only the civil war was a more blatant tyranny against the people of the US."

As far as being "ashamed".... Not sure it applies. Never mentioned shame, don't think I have the capacity. There are other words that would be applicable but not shame.

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« Reply #112 on: November 15, 2007, 04:06:19 PM »
This whole argument is silly.
Anyone here actually fight in WWII?
Might want to stop saying "We did this" and "You did that"
This is akin to the retarded "My dad can beat your dad up!"
Riding on our ancestor's coattails to put another one down is well, childish.
How about stating your OWN direct accomplishments/actions that helped fight tyranny? If you can offer none, then I'd suggest you stop insulting others just based on national origin.
What have you done personally? Again, if you've done nothing, then you might want to reconsider what makes you so 'special'.
Me? I just count my blessing for living where I do and for the US and her Allies for defeating Nazi Germany.

Those that continue to put another people or country down just to inflate your own self worth is rather sad indeed.
Surely there are true enemies that you'd rather fight or argue against?

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If we're going to show graveyards of those lost in WWII, how about the Soviets?
Their 9 MILLION military personnel killed overshadow all other allied military deaths combined.

Just think of our own poor state of readiness that if we were to trade places with France as far as having our military personnel and weaponry there and theirs here, we'd of not lasted much longer against the Nazi war machine.
You can bet the French people would be coming to our aid.
Without them, we might still be a British colony.

To all the members of the countries of the allied forces whose ancestors fought against the tyrannical Axis powers, I offer my thanks and gratitude for the contributions THEY made so that we could live in safety and freedom.
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« Reply #113 on: November 15, 2007, 04:11:46 PM »
I agree that the debate is silly, but this is the O'Club after all. ;)

As for what I've personally done to fight tyranny: I fought in the Balkans conflict, Bosnia to be exact. Doesn't make me particularly special though.

As for your final comment: I agree wholeheartedly. :)

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« Reply #114 on: November 15, 2007, 04:41:09 PM »
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This whole argument is silly.
Anyone here actually fight in WWII?



i did not actually fight, but i flattened tincans and collected scrap metal for the scrap drives, so you can say i did contribute to the war effort.

humorous note, one day i heard horns blowing all over town, i asked my mom what was going on , she said the war was over, i asked "who won?"

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« Reply #115 on: November 15, 2007, 04:42:58 PM »
lol :aok

Thank you for your small, but not insignificant contribution John. :)

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« Reply #116 on: November 15, 2007, 04:44:37 PM »
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I am an American, a true American, not some second or third generation Ellis Island charity case.  


I'm sorry but I'm a second generation American born citizen (my grandparents migrated) and I'm just as true an American as you.  After all, it's the only place I've ever known (as far as living in/citizenship).
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« Reply #117 on: November 15, 2007, 04:57:39 PM »
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I am an American, a true American, not some second or third generation Ellis Island charity case.

I'm sorry but I'm a second generation American born citizen (my grandparents migrated) and I'm just as true an American as you.  After all, it's the only place I've ever known (as far as living in/citizenship).

That would make Thruster an American Indian would it not?

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« Reply #118 on: November 15, 2007, 07:11:01 PM »
Partially, but more importantly it means my fore bearers paid ALL the dues that made this country so attractive to the huddled masses. They won our freedom, created this nation and shed blood in just about every major threat this nation faced. I'm proud of that fact. Not to disparage those progeny of the later immigrant waves but it's my feeling that they would tend to have a less proprietary view of where this country comes from and where it goes.

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« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2007, 07:20:02 PM »
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Partially, but more importantly it means my fore bearers paid ALL the dues that made this country so attractive to the huddled masses. They won our freedom, created this nation and shed blood in just about every major threat this nation faced. I'm proud of that fact. Not to disparage those progeny of the later immigrant waves but it's my feeling that they would tend to have a less proprietary view of where this country comes from and where it goes.


Yep, it is clear you are OH so much better then those of us who have only had 2 or 4 generations here, we are all leaches and horrid Americans.

You should feel so very proud that your ancestors have made you so much better then the rest of us. I bet you just glow with pride over it.


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