It takes a Frenchman to see the greatness in the USA

[Dago]

Originally posted by Viking
If France had allowed your warplanes to transit French airspace en route to Libya then France would have been a participant to the attack. France did not want that for obvious reasons.

The attack itself was also horribly misguided and an abyssal failure (if not a crime), and directly led to increased Libyan terrorism. The bombing of Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie was a direct response to the US bombing that failed to kill Gaddafy ... but killed his wife and infant daughter.

So, in your opinion, the direct terrorism, and support of terrorists that Libya had been participating in should have been just ignored?  Your brand of cowardice would just keep turning the other cheek?  The bombing of the Rome and Vienna airport, the bombing of a West Berlin disco killing Americans should have been just brushed off?   Maybe you would have been in favor of sending them cash, but we choose to retaliate in force, and in my opinion it was the right decision.

I guess we just answered why your country didn't turn back the Nazi's, and why we had to do it for you.

[leitwolf]

here we go again.

[Viking]

Yeah Dago that's right. You didn't valiantly join the fray to fight tyranny and oppression. You waited ... and waited ... and waited ... while you sold often outdated weapons to the allies at inflated prices. And if not for the Royal Navy you would have sold arms and goods to the Germans too. Only after Japan attacked you and Germany declared war on you did you join the fight. How valiant ... how heroic. What a selfless sacrifice indeed.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Dago
I guess we just answered why your country didn't turn back the Nazi's, and why we had to do it for you.

Hah, you did nothing of the sort. How many Americans set foot in Norway during WWII?

[KgB]

Originally posted by sgt203

What is deemed to be in the national interests and for the security of the United States, need not, nor should not, have to be a general consensus of European Countries. It is not up France, Germany or any other country what we should do in the name of OUR National Security.
 Have a Nice Day.

Aww,be nice now.
Its actually "Spreken ze Deutch",and no i don't.
You can do whatever the hell you want "in the name of OUR National Security " as long as its on US territory.Otherwise It is UP to  France, Germany or any other country.
Should i say "thank you"?

[Viking]

Well ... actually it's "Sprechen Sie Deutsch", and yes I do ... sort of.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Viking
Hah, you did nothing of the sort. How many Americans set foot in Norway during WWII?

Wasn't Norway still occupied by Nazi forces in May 1945? The Nazis only left after the German surrender.

[KgB]

Originally posted by Viking
Well ... actually it's "Sprechen Sie Deutsch", and yes I do ... sort of.

Sorry,like i said...i dont and,dont think sgt203 does either.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Viking
Yeah Dago that's right. You didn't valiantly join the fray to fight tyranny and oppression. You waited ... and waited ... and waited ... while you sold often outdated weapons to the allies at inflated prices. And if not for the Royal Navy you would have sold arms and goods to the Germans too. Only after Japan attacked you and Germany declared war on you did you join the fight. How valiant ... how heroic. What a selfless sacrifice indeed.

How stupid can you be?  We sold B17s to the allies long before we were in the war, and those were hardly "outdated".  How many examples of selling the best we had at the time do you need before we hear the popping sound of your head coming out of your ass?  You might actually take a look at what we had in our aresenal pre-1941/1942 before you make another really stupid comment.

[RATTFINK]

[john9001]

Originally posted by Viking
Hah, you did nothing of the sort. How many Americans set foot in Norway during WWII?

uncle viking, tell us again how Norwegians bravely defended their county against the Germany invasion for 3-4 hours.

[KgB]

Originally posted by Dago
How stupid can you be?  We sold B17s to the allies long before we were in the war, and those were hardly "outdated".  How many examples of selling the best we had at the time do you need before we hear the popping sound of your head coming out of your ass?  You might actually take a look at what we had in our aresenal pre-1941/1942 before you make another really stupid comment.

USA entered eastern front so Russians wouldnt capture the whole Europe:)
Either way USA did help,a lot.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Viking
Hah, you did nothing of the sort. How many Americans set foot in Norway during WWII?

Oh, my apologies, I did a little research and we didn't have to go into Norway to fight Nazi's, rather we had to fight a large number of Norwegians who joined the Nazi's, and it seems the largest number of volunteer Norwegian volunteers joined the SS.

Stand tall viking, your ancestors loved to kill innocent Jews.

Norweigan Nazi's

[KgB]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
Wasn't Norway still occupied by Nazi forces in May 1945? The Nazis only left after the German surrender.

Yeah,i think 400 000 armed troops or so.

[Viking]

Originally posted by john9001
uncle viking, tell us again how Norwegians bravely defended their county against the Germany invasion for 3-4 hours.

Will do. From an earlier post:

Originally posted by Viking
Norway never surrendered. The government and royal family continued the war from London. As the war progressed the Norweigan government used the proceeds from Nortraship (a company set up in England that controlled our free merchant ships – who btw. transported a quarter of all goods and war materials from the US to the UK) to buy planes and ships for the free Norwegians to fight with. By the end of the war Norway had bought hundreds of Spitfires and ships. In fact during the allied landings in Normandy one of the 24 warships lost on D-Day was the Norwegian destroyer KNM “Svenner”. She was one of 60 Norwegian ships that took part in the operation. Above them RNoAF Squadrons 331 and 332 provided cover in their Spitfires (we actually have a Norwegian skin for the Spit16 in AHII ! ).

And here she is:





Isn't she a beauty?

Originally posted by Dago
How stupid can you be?  We sold B17s to the allies long before we were in the war, and those were hardly "outdated".  How many examples of selling the best we had at the time do you need before we hear the popping sound of your head coming out of your ass?  You might actually take a look at what we had in our aresenal pre-1941/1942 before you make another really stupid comment.

I said often outdated not all outdated. And I was referring to all the WWI equipment you unloaded on the British like the crappy old destroyers you sold them.

The operative word here is selling. You weren't helping anyone anymore than a car salesman is "helping" me buy a new car.

Originally posted by Dago
Oh, my apologies, I did a little research and we didn't have to go into Norway to fight Nazi's, rather we had to fight a large number of Norwegians who joined the Nazi's, and it seems the largest number of volunteer Norwegian volunteers joined the SS.

Stand tall viking, your ancestors loved to kill innocent Jews.

Actually they didn't kill Jews, but we've been through this before as well.

Originally posted by Viking
As for the Norwegians that joined the SS to fight the Russians. Yes, that was rather common at that time since the “Reds” were considered a big threat by many and German propaganda exploited this very well. However, they were hardly alone; many non-Germans fought for the Germans in their misguided belief that the Russians were the greater threat. Alonside SS “Wiking” and the other SS volunteer corps they also established a “Britisches Freikorps” of British volunteers … and even an “Amerikanisches Freikorps”


Some Americans even made it pretty far up in the ranks of the Waffen-SS considering they joined after Germany went to war:


Hstuf (Captain). Josef Awender, a medical doctor in the “Frundsberg” born in Philadelphia in 1913.

Ustuf (2nd Lieutenant). Robert Beimes, a signal officer in the “Hitler Jugend” born in San Francisco in 1919, whose father was a translator in the SD.

Ustuf. Dr. Hans Eckert, born in Buffalo, NY in 1917 and assigned to the SS hospital at Dachau in November 1944. (Nice … an American SS “doctor” in a death camp )

Ostubaf (Lt Colonel) . Viktor Fehsenfeld, born in Elk Rapids, Michigan in 1884 and an administrative officer in the SS-WVHA.

Hstuf. Franz Stark, born in St. Louis in 1901 and assigned to the SD.

Hstuf. Eldon Walli, born in New York City in 1913 in the SS-Kriegsberichter Abteilung (war reporters).

Hstuf. Paul Winckler-Theede, born in New York City in 1912 and who was a military judge in the “Das Reich” division.



Even as late as 1944 Americans were still defecting to Germany and volunteering for the SS. Even a USAAF P-38 pilot defected:

“Second Lieutenant Martin James Monti (born 1910 in St Louis of an Italian-Swiss father and German mother) went AWOL Oct 1944, travelled from Karachi to Naples (through Cairo and Tripoli) where he stole a F-4 or F-5 photographic reconnaissance aircraft (photo recon version of the P-38) and flew to Milan. There he surrendered, or rather defected, to the Germans and worked as a propaganda broadcaster (as Martin Wiethaupt) before entering the Waffen-SS as a SS-Untersturmführer in SS-Standarte Kurt Eggers. At the end of the war he went south to Italy where he surrendered to US forces (still wearing his SS uniform) claiming that he had been given the uniform by partisans. He was charged with desertion and sentenced to 15 years hard labour. This sentence was soon commuted and Monti rejoined the US Air Corps, but in 1948 he was discharged and picked up by the FBI. He was now charged with treason and sentenced to 25 years the following year. He was paroled in 1960.”



So running away from home and joining the SS seems to be one of those things kids thought was cool back then.