Author Topic: Russian bombers 'buzzed' US aircraft carrier (Read 3637 times)

aenigma · « **Reply #90 on:** February 13, 2008, 02:07:08 AM »

"Couple this with the theft of technical military knowledge mostly done by greedy traitors and Chinese patriots dressed in United States citizenship."

Not only theft but I like to remind everyone, especially PRO-clinton, that china's missile technology was seriously boosted when billie clinton "shared" our military secrets to china.

Results, they now can destroy satellites. Are able to hit the west coast with nukes (Hit berkeley first please).

What next people? Are we that lazy to allow our so called leaders to pass on our military secrets in the name of humanity? To make everyone equal??

We should be concerned about terrorist but not close our eyes to what is going on with countries like china.

The Nation is already under a major invasion from the south who think they own the southwest.

As Americans we need to stop the madness.

Rollins · « **Reply #91 on:** February 13, 2008, 02:12:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
It wasn't as spectacular as Su-24s passing over USS Kittyhawk in a Sea of Japan back in 2000. At that time US CV group totally failed to intercept Russian planes and the crew literally panicked.

October, 17th and November, 9th, 2000.

Two Su-24MR recon planes, covered by Su-27 fighters. Pilots were awarded with Hero of Russia medals. They flew over an unprepared flight-deck, American crew started to cut fuel lines thinking they are under real attack.

I fail to see why you relish this. I have a best friend who was on that ship when it happened. If we would have wanted to return the aggression, trust me, we could have.
Bolshevik Tamer

Vulcan · « **Reply #92 on:** February 13, 2008, 02:17:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
Widewing,

Ever wonder about information on the battles,campaigns,wars that were lost? As history is always written by the victors.

The battle you outlined was a win for blue team (so to speak) so there is information,history channel and even paintings. But if a battle is lost it's often hard to find information if at all. Even to the degree you might have to start digging through government archives for facts 50 years later.

Very few publications make it from those that lost a battle,campaign,war. Whether they be Russian,German,Japanese or American. And all sides are quick to post victories over losses and all sides claim a propergander victory if and when they can.

~~...-Gixer~~

~~I think gun cams and audio transcripts kinda shoot you down there gixer.~~

Elfie · « **Reply #93 on:** February 13, 2008, 03:16:07 AM »

Boroda got pwned by Widewing.

Elfie · « **Reply #94 on:** February 13, 2008, 03:18:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Rollins
I fail to see why you relish this. I have a best friend who was on that ship when it happened. If we would have wanted to return the aggression, trust me, we could have.
Bolshevik Tamer

I fail to see why he relishes that as well. I mean it's not like those recon planes caused any damage or sank the Kittyhawk.

High speed flybys are just another stupid game that militaries play on each other and sooner or later someone is gonna lose an eye!

moot · « **Reply #95 on:** February 13, 2008, 03:55:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
I also have stills taken from the gun camera film from LTjg Rowlands' F9F.

Youch

Let's see what the answer to that one is...

bozon · « **Reply #96 on:** February 13, 2008, 04:27:41 AM »

The atmosphere above a US navy carrier is not automatically american airspace. I can't see what the Russians did wrong. I can see what the americans did wrong and why this is embarrassing.

The correct response from the carrier should have been to launch fighter and intercept the incoming planes BEFORE they buzz the carrier. Escort them 1 mile from behind, maintaining a constant radar lock to make the warnings constantly buzz in the bomber's cockpit. This is how you show what you "could have done".

These are the rules of the game.

straffo · « **Reply #97 on:** February 13, 2008, 06:45:10 AM »

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Originally posted by ZetaNine
ps- I actually AM for a military draft.....but not as it was in the past.

Where are you deployed currently ?

C(Sea)Bass · « **Reply #98 on:** February 13, 2008, 06:57:43 AM »

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Originally posted by bozon
The atmosphere above a US navy carrier is not automatically american airspace. I can't see what the Russians did wrong. I can see what the americans did wrong and why this is embarrassing.

The correct response from the carrier should have been to launch fighter and intercept the incoming planes BEFORE they buzz the carrier. Escort them 1 mile from behind, maintaining a constant radar lock to make the warnings constantly buzz in the bomber's cockpit. This is how you show what you "could have done".

These are the rules of the game.

Thats what they did. If you read the article it says the bomber was followed by two F/A-18s.

I hate to bust some of you guys bubbles, but, China is NOT communist. They are no more socialized than Sweden, or Germany.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #99 on:** February 13, 2008, 07:02:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Treize69
Is it just me, or does that look like a fisherman in the pic?

No thats Nisen.
You just dont recognise him with his back to the camera and not hamming it up

Boroda · « **Reply #100 on:** February 13, 2008, 07:51:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
So Boroda, what documents do you have to back your propaganda? Any pilot interviews (post Soviet)? I suspect that all you have is what the Soviets stated. Their poor unsuspecting pilots were set upon by vicious horde of American Navy pirates flying without regard for international law...

Nice. Guncams and radio-talks only prove that US planes shot down two Soviet planes in international waters.

MiGs got intercepted by Panthers and "blue" side attacked first, it's quite obvious, Soviet pilots couldn't even return fire - they they were not allowed to use their weapons against Americans.

Now maybe you'll tell me an American POV on a Sukhaya Rechka airfield attack? Maybe it will be like "evil Soviet airfield attacked harmless US planes and got bombed and strafed in self-defense"?

Soviet side never mentioned both encounters in official propaganda, all sources on Korean war and following conflicts in Far East was de-classified in early 90s, when it wasn't used for propaganda purposes for obvious reasons.

C(Sea)Bass · « **Reply #101 on:** February 13, 2008, 07:59:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda

Soviet side never mentioned both encounters in official propaganda,

Didn't someone just mention something about the losing side not liking to mention things?

Boroda · « **Reply #102 on:** February 13, 2008, 08:02:39 AM »

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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
Didn't someone just mention something about the losing side not liking to mention things?

Relax, American invaders successfully shot down at the same time were also never mentioned.

Like the first combat use of S-75 SAM: an RB-47 was shot down over China, and AFAIK it's still listed as "missing in action for unknown reasons" by blue side.

ZetaNine · « **Reply #103 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:35:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
This thread inspires me to wit: The seat of communism changed hands in 1989 with Gorbachev the holder of supreme global communist central power at the time. Russia is now the old worn out corpse, China the new seat of global communism. An economic powerhouse looking to surpass the West and control the world.

China now holds the United States hostage economically and has drawn most of the common manufacturing base away from the western world, thanks to the greed of capitalism. Couple this with the theft of technical military knowledge mostly done by greedy traitors and Chinese patriots dressed in United States citizenship. We are killing ourselves slowly. We are watching it happen, shaking our heads and doing nothing. Now we find ourselves the central target of radical Islam, spending ourselves into oblivion to fight these radicals under the blanket of self defense.....

I sometimes wonder if the transfer of communist power to China, our loss of strategic technical knowledge, and our entanglements with backwards 14th century Islamic thought is an intentional design foisted on us by those who want control of the globe at our expense. The Chinese Communists supported by the old soviet guard!

All I have to say is keep the nuclear war fighting capacity fully capable, insulated from pre-emptive attack, and updated with the best war plans imaginable. And be prepared to use these assets when the time comes.

Everyone burn in hell

RACK HIM

POST OF THE WEEK !!

ZetaNine · « **Reply #104 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:43:40 AM »

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Originally posted by aenigma
I'd like to remind everyone, especially PRO-clinton, that china's missile technology was seriously boosted when billie clinton "shared" our military secrets to china.

between that....and clinton's "peace dividend" where he cut military spending and CIA budgets......as well as "re-designing" the CIA to be a "kinder/gentler" agency by pulling our human intel assets (covert ops agents) off the streets of the world....and then of course.....right about at the same time he was being pleasured in the oval office...the 911 terrorist cells were arriving here.......

knowing this....and seeing as how the libs want to do the same thing all over again..starting with gitmo and military tribunals, etc... at a time of war....is unconscionable.