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Offline LePaul

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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #255 on: March 11, 2008, 08:25:46 AM »
Bombing is for sissies that can't fight other cartoon aeroplanes.  It is just a side show.  Kinda like baseball is for sissies who can't play football.

Oooh, aren't you mister toughguy...cmon down from your high horse and try downing my bombers someday.  Just let me know which wing you want shot off first, mmmkay?   :devil

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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #256 on: March 11, 2008, 08:26:40 AM »
Get rid of formations.

BTW, who is that git? This is pretty much how the "Fun Police strike again" thread got started.
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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #257 on: March 11, 2008, 08:27:05 AM »
aha got it on second guess!

your 2nd pic is same as the first btw.

yer .. amended that as you'll see.  I guess when vets do it daily the newbies are going to copy it and it's just getting outta hand these days.  We shouldn't condone practises which aren't to my darn liking   :P

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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #258 on: March 11, 2008, 08:30:30 AM »
I thought the formations were bad from the get go. 

As a bomber guy, I agree...I groan when i see guys doing this.  And why do they do it?  Because it takes patience and time to climb above the effective ack range, use the bombsight and use some skill to hit a moving target.

Its just as gamey as the things the fighter guys groan over...vulchers, headons, etc. 

If you guys are going to mandate a fix, alright, just make sure you mandate something that regulates the fighers greivances too.  Fair is fair.

As HiTech said, this game is designed with the goal of ticking off the other player.  Looks like bombers acheive that goal!



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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #259 on: March 11, 2008, 08:33:12 AM »
Get rid of formations.

BTW, who is that git? This is pretty much how the "Fun Police strike again" thread got started.

It's a mate.  One of oh so many whos tactics should be outta the community.

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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #260 on: March 11, 2008, 08:40:45 AM »
Hmmm I've got a few educated guesses whose those scores could be  :D

I hate the guys who come over in bombers, drop on the base (usually miss and leave a cratered runway)  then bail out.  Not only do they achieve nothing but no-one gets to kill them.  Even worse would be an experienced bomber levelling the fighter hangars then bailing.

From your screenshot I would be asking more questions about the 5 inch gunner.  There is no way a set of buffs should be able to get that near a CV with a decent gunner on board.



What if I climb to 25k, level the fighter hangers, then go land.  Nobody gets to kill me anyway.  Same result.
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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #261 on: March 11, 2008, 08:46:59 AM »
Oh, goodie...glad to see this post is still alive and well.  Would have hated to come onto the board today and see that it had fallen off the front page.  Whew

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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #262 on: March 11, 2008, 08:48:07 AM »
It's comparable to a fighter guy complaining about the HO.  It should be frowned upon as a "dweeby" tactic but it still is a tactic.

If your getting swarmed from a CV with guys vulching etc etc.  Personally I up 234's from a field nearby and have it dead in 5 minutes but guys who havent got those kind of perks will want the easiest, quickest way of killing it.

Lynx with the update hopefully we will see more 5 inch positions and a fully manned CV group should be near impossible to sink with one set of suicide buffs.



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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #263 on: March 11, 2008, 08:52:35 AM »
Well, while at it, I still remember my little CV sinking story from a few years back.  I was in a Yak chasing some guy and sure enough, he ran into the CV ack.  Don't why he thought I was not going to follow, lol, but I did.  He turned I missed and no more CV lol. 

Can we make it so anything but bombs have no effect on it?  Or at list cant sink it?
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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #264 on: March 11, 2008, 08:56:18 AM »
As in any game, players will always take the path of least resistance. As posted above, it does work, and is usually done by the extreme catpure the flag type of player.

 Would be nice if things were changed, this is just one of the "gamey"  type of things that should be changed. Next patch will correct the Slider issues regaurding GV's, maybe HTC could slip in a little foiler reference angle of attack and bomb release with level bombers that shouldnt be able to do this.

 One can only hope.
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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #265 on: March 11, 2008, 09:01:45 AM »
I hate to see them do away with the formations, but think that only bombing in F6 mode is a good idea.
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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #266 on: March 11, 2008, 09:22:06 AM »
Why did'nt the CV fighter cap get these guys?  Or was there one?  If they are going to present you easy targets, someone should have had them nailed way before they ever got to the carrier.  Change tactics and this behavior will stop.


I don't know about you, but I don't have time to fly a 5 mile circle over our CV for an hour in the hopes of chasing a set of bombers diving a CV at 400 MPH.  There is no need of it.

Level bombers are just that, LEVEL !! HTC should make it so they MUST be level in F6 mode to drop.

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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #267 on: March 11, 2008, 09:22:41 AM »
Perk formations and restrict buff bombing (except for the JU-88s which could dive bomb) to F6 mode.
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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #268 on: March 11, 2008, 09:37:33 AM »
Historically, what was used in the anti-shipping role, against the larger ships? The B25s, Mossie with the big gun (Tse tse?), and ordnance from attack planes of all sorts, divebombers, etc? Is AH even capable of determining what does the actual damage, or is it just looking for X amount of damage points, whether coming from 30cals or 4K eggs? I guess it does for tanks, but doesn't seem to for anything else.

For gameplay purposes, I don't see anything that makes the tactic less effective, without adding more artificial limitations, than simply doing away with formations. We don't have the things that formations were added to offset, and most formations are not used as bombers, but jabos and suicide bombers. Those who really enjoy bombers, and the challenge of setting up good runs at alt, planning long flights, organizing escorts and what not will continue to do things the hard way, just like they did before we had formations.

As long as fighters can strafe down armored gun turrets with machineguns, and bombers can single-handedly wipe out the 2 main ships, and it's retarded easy, that's what is going to happen most of the time.

<edit> With regards to the limit-to-F6 mode, a simple macro negates that. O, X, F6, B. Doors open, autopilot engages, switch to bombardier's position, autopilot engaged, bombs away. Although HTC did change things so you could no longer calibrate from the pilot's seat for laser accuracy, this change would not have any significant effect on the suicide bombers, since autopilot no longer causes a violent change to level flight.
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Re: Suicide bombers and why
« Reply #269 on: March 11, 2008, 09:38:04 AM »
As for the individual in the screen shot here's some info on him ...note the bomber sorties / landed / hours



In his expanded file it was interesting to note of his total deaths of 182 last tod.  93 were in bombers.  Ironically his most kills were as a ship or field gunner amounting to 40.  Would you be staggered to know his bombing hit percent was just    60.63.

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I hate to see them do away with the formations, but think that only bombing in F6 mode is a good idea.

I did a thread on this 3 or 4 years ago.  Nothing changed.  I think these guys would, as I wrote in opening,.... leave.  Perhaps it's up to us to stop praising their actions.  Maybe instill a sense of shame rather than boost their elation.



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