German Panther

[Lumpy]

How would that differ from certian AC already in game?

The difference is that we have more than seventy planes, but only three tanks in the game. If there were only three planes modeled I would hardly think the next model should be the Ta152.

[Bronk]

The difference is that we have more than seventy planes, but only three tanks in the game. If there were only three planes modeled I would hardly think the next model should be the Ta152.

4 tanks
tiger
panzer IV
t-34
firefly

[TUXC]

We need something to be the enemy to it, I do believe that the panther is a sure in to the game eventually, but we need to find something to match it.

Already have Sherman Firefly in the game, which IMO is the best Western Allies opponent to the Panther, so T-34/85 would be the most worthy other Allied opponent to the Panther if it is ever added. Pershing would better match up against the Tiger II since both are "heavy" tanks (Panther was certainly not light!) and saw service in smaller numbers than the Firefly, Panther, and T-34/85.

[Lumpy]

4 tanks
tiger
panzer IV
t-34
firefly

Yeah, the T34 slipped my mind for some reason. My argument stands though.

[Lumpy]

Already have Sherman Firefly in the game, which IMO is the best Western Allies opponent to the Panther, so T-34/85 would be the most worthy other Allied opponent to the Panther if it is ever added. Pershing would better match up against the Tiger II since both are "heavy" tanks (Panther was certainly not light!) and saw service in smaller numbers than the Firefly, Panther, and T-34/85.

Not really. The Panther, M26 and IS-2 were all in the 41-46 ton range. The Tiger I was 57 tons and the Tiger II was a whopping 70 tons.

[Bodhi]

I think before we add another mid/late tank, we should consider filling out the Early to Mid tank set.

Churchill
Matilda
French tanks
Pz III
Pz II
M3 Lee
M5 Stuart
T-60
Cromwell

thats just a few...

[humble]

I would put money on the Shermans too in a close up fight but that didn't happen very often. The Panther's side armor didn't need to be special, it could knock out a Sherman at range without concern of return fire. Low velocity guns like on the Sherman lost most of their penetrating power at range and was not a threat. The German tank crews were more worried about anti tank guns than Brit or American tanks

This is actually not fundementally correct. The majority of shermans had a low velocity 75mm gun, however the 76mm tube was reasonably effective, especially when proper HVADS rounds were available. One of the most documenented 1 on 1 encounters occured during the liberation of Paris when a US sherman encountered a Panther at the arch de triumph (going from memory here). The plaza was 900M long and the american gunner knew that and set his range accordingly. The panther missed and the sherman scored a straight up frontal victory. While not as effective as the 17 lbder the US tube was still deadly out to about 1500 yds...

[Lumpy]

With APCR (HVAP shot) rounds the US 76mm M1 was effective against the Panther at 900 yards, but not much beyond 1000 yards. APCR rounds were unfortunately only available in very small quantities to the western Allies in the latter half of 1944, being rushed into service for D-Day. The Jerries started using APCR ammo in 1942 and for comparison the Panther's 7.5 cm KwK 42 could penetrate the Sherman's front at ranges beyond 2,500 yards with the standard APCBC-HE ... beyond 3,500 yards with APCR.

[BigPlay]

This is actually not fundementally correct. The majority of shermans had a low velocity 75mm gun, however the 76mm tube was reasonably effective, especially when proper HVADS rounds were available. One of the most documenented 1 on 1 encounters occurred during the liberation of Paris when a US Sherman encountered a Panther at the arch de triumph (going from memory here). The plaza was 900M long and the American gunner knew that and set his range accordingly. The panther missed and the Sherman scored a straight up frontal victory. While not as effective as the 17 lbder the US tube was still deadly out to about 1500 yds...

1500 yards is not considered a standoff distance. The Panthers and most German tank designs were directed towards countering  Russian armor. The Germans put these long barreled guns on their tanks for accuracy and penetrating power at distance primarily due to the vast open spaces of the Russian steppes where targets were spotted at range. Normandy was totally different with the hedge rows and small towns dotting the map tank battles were often at medium and close range where the American tanks had an advantage (shorter barrels, quicker barrel traverse, smaller more mobile and more of them). The Germans took on a more defensive or ambush role using their tanks to it's best advantage either at choke points on roads or  hidden in forrest on the edge of open spaces. Only 100 or so Sherman's that landed at France had the 76MM gun on them and most were given special attention by the Germans to be knocked out as soon as possible. The point I'm trying to make is that Shermans had little or no chance in a tank verse tank battle against the Germans except at close range and with odds in their favor. Unlike the British the Americans stopped countering the Germans in tank verse tank battles and used fighter/ bombers or artillery to eliminate tank opposition. Not to say that there weren't any tank battles but documented American reports indicate that American tankers started to refuse to duke it out with Tigers and Panthers on their own.

[DPQ5]

not panther but it still kool 

[DPQ5]

here some panther stats

[DPQ5]

heres 1 of the panther

[JagdTankker]

DPQ5,

these guys aren't ready for that kind of game play.although the 20$ one time fee and multiple maps servers and vehicles are the best the internet has to offer these guys are just not ready for it.

in may darkest hour comes out, then it will be on for sure.

[moot]

straw man.

[BigPlay]

DPQ5,

these guys aren't ready for that kind of game play.although the 20$ one time fee and multiple maps servers and vehicles are the best the internet has to offer these guys are just not ready for it.

in may darkest hour comes out, then it will be on for sure.

Why...... How is the game anyway. Thought about checking it out.