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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2008, 03:26:34 PM »
In my opinion these anti-gun groups are an anti-constitutional organization and that the NRA has the moral right to spy on them.
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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2008, 08:26:54 AM »
hazzer.. thank you...  I guess you can agree with me and then not really want freedom..  it confuses me but...

I mean, how can you agree with me on libertarian (individualist in my case) values but disagree with everything else I say?   I have no opinions that are not rooted in freedom.

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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2008, 07:33:52 AM »
hazzer.. thank you...  I guess you can agree with me and then not really want freedom..  it confuses me but...

I mean, how can you agree with me on libertarian (individualist in my case) values but disagree with everything else I say?   I have no opinions that are not rooted in freedom.

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I'd say your wishes for all cities to implode and burn have nothing to do with freedom.  That's where you always loose me at least.
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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2008, 09:29:41 AM »
bongie...  I have no wish to see cities burn and explode.   I am saying that if we do have a terrorist dirty bomb happen or a biological type attack.. It will happen in the big cities which are all blue voters and..   A few million less blue voters is just a silver lining to the cloud..  not to mention the conversion from blue to red by the survivors.

I am just looking at the bright side of the inevitable.   

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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2008, 10:55:48 AM »
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A few million less blue voters is just a silver lining to the cloud..

  That is over the line. 

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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2008, 11:49:41 AM »
In my opinion these anti-gun groups are an anti-constitutional organization and that the NRA has the moral right to spy on them.

So you think one constitutional right trumps other constitutional rights? Does that mean these groups now have the right to spy on the NRA because the NRA broke their constitutional right to freedom of speech & privacy?
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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2008, 11:52:52 AM »
  That is over the line. 

Yup.  As I said, he always looses me on the "yea! a bunch of people with different ideaologies are dead, woo woo!"

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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2008, 12:02:55 PM »
The NRA did not violate their constitutional rights. That's laughable.

You must be one of those guys with the new, improved, elastic Constitution that stretches to cover any cockamamie idea you happen to be swooning over at the moment.
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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2008, 12:15:56 PM »
The right to privacy belongs to individuals, not public organizations.
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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2008, 12:20:05 PM »
The NRA did not violate their constitutional rights. That's laughable.

You must be one of those guys with the new, improved, elastic Constitution that stretches to cover any cockamamie idea you happen to be swooning over at the moment.

Maybe you should read the context of the post and one it was a reply too. We happen to have a right to privacy and a right to freedom of speech.

NRA uses lobbyist to pander to the govt to protect their own rights, at the same time they are violating others right to "freedom of speech" and "right to privacy" by having a spy in their organization. The NRA had this person in a high position which gives them added benefit on how to lobby the govt to block the anti-gun groups.

That is a violation of their rights..
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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2008, 12:24:00 PM »
The right to privacy belongs to individuals, not public organizations.

Then the same could be said for the NRA.. the right to bare arms belongs to individuals and militia's not public or private organizations if you want to go by those terms.
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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2008, 12:24:42 PM »
Maybe you should read the context of the post and one it was a reply too. We happen to have a right to privacy and a right to freedom of speech.

NRA uses lobbyist to pander to the govt to protect their own rights, at the same time they are violating others right to "freedom of speech" and "right to privacy" by having a spy in their organization. The NRA had this person in a high position which gives them added benefit on how to lobby the govt to block the anti-gun groups.

That is a violation of their rights..

Baloney. As a free citizen I can belong to any public organization I want for any reason I want. They have the right to reject my membership but at the risk of a discrimination suit.
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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2008, 12:26:06 PM »
Baloney. As a free citizen I can belong to any public organization I want for any reason I want. They have the right to reject my membership but at the risk of a discrimination suit.

Maybe you should go join the girl scouts then..  :D
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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2008, 12:27:02 PM »
Maybe you should go join the girl scouts then..  :D

If I were gay they'd be afraid not to let me in.  ;)
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Re: NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2008, 01:28:32 PM »
If I were gay they'd be afraid not to let me in.  ;)

ROFL... boy he sure walked inta that one AK... LOL
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