109 G6 missing something?

[Anaxogoras]

Werknummer block 440000-441000 were 109G-6/U4 delivered from WNF, starting in the summer of '43.

Bf 109F, G & K Series, by Prien and Rodeike.

Of course, it's difficult to put a number on how many more of the remaining 11,000 were conversions.

[BiPoLaR]

If HTC can update planes like the La5 and the IL2.
I dont see why they couldnt throw a 30mm in the G6.

[crockett]

I didn't say it was uber, I said it was the best plane in the game.

This Spit 16 is uber.

Yea I know.. it's just one of my pet peeves, I heart my K4 but it's far from being one of the best planes. It just has a lot of skilled players whom fly it. The plane it's self is a brick with wings and a big gun.

[Karnak]

Werknummer block 440000-441000 were 109G-6/U4 delivered from WNF, starting in the summer of '43.

Bf 109F, G & K Series, by Prien and Rodeike.

Of course, it's difficult to put a number on how many more of the remaining 11,000 were conversions.

This does not meet the critera I listed.

[Anaxogoras]

That's as good as I got.  I think your criteria are over-modeled.   Basically, you just don't want to see a 30mm armed 109G-6, even though we know they were there.

[Motherland]

and yes we need the 109s to be updated BAD.

The 109's were already updated.... that's when they took away the Mk108 from the G6 and I think the gondolas from the F4 (though the gondolas are on the skin ).
BTW we still need WGr 210's on the G2 as well

[Wmaker]

There were not "many, many" Bf109G-6s produced in 1943 with the 30mm cannon.  "Many, many" would imply close to 50%, if not the majority of those produced.

If you want to be convincing, post actual production numbers of both 20mm and 30mm armed Bf109G-6s, broken down by at least to quarterly numbers, preferably monthly.  Don't use completely subjective language like "many, many".

Don't worry about Karnak, Anaxogoras. He couldn't have done it in the case of IL-2's NS-37 cannons either when they weren't in the game, they are here now as you can see. When it comes to this issue he seems to be one big double standard at work...

From another thread:

Many of us asked for the NS-37 gun package on the IL-2.  I think I first requested it when the IL-2 was originally added without them.

He keeps saying how the MK-108 in G-6 will get abused in events and yet he himself asks a rare gun package to another aircraft which most definately would get abused in scenarios like Niemen, Kurland, Stalins Fourth and so on. Oh wait, no it wouldn't...these kind of load out restrictions (like no bombs should be carried) will be and have been dealt with gentlemans agreements before. Many times Snapshot-event's rules state that 100% fuel should be carried also. Of course the best way would be to have a tool for the CM's so that they could define only the allowed load outs available as an arena setting for events.

G-6 is the 109 for events from 2/43 until spring/summer of '44 no matter what canopy it carries or from what serial number-block the external features of the AH's 3D-model come from. It also has to engage '44 US heavy bombers in the midwar-arena.

So as long as there are load out options like NS-37 for Il-2 and 3xB-20 for La-7 in AH, 109G-6 should have its 30mm cannon just for sake of consistency alone.

[Anaxogoras]

...not to mention the super rare 3x20mm armament of the La-7.

Thank you wmaker.

[Vulcan]

Let's put this in perspective, I landed an 8 kill run on the weekend in a G2 with 25 rounds of cannon ammo left (no rearm, single cannon no pods). And I'm a noob.

[BiPoLaR]

So as long as there are load out options like NS-37 for Il-2 and 3xB-20 for La-7 in AH, 109G-6 should have its 30mm cannon just for sake of consistency alone.

could not agree more

[Wmaker]

Let's put this in perspective, I landed an 8 kill run on the weekend in a G2 with 25 rounds of cannon ammo left (no rearm, single cannon no pods). And I'm a noob.

I bow in the humbling presence of true greatness...


...my bowing or your comment has nothing to do with the topic at hand, though.

[Babalonian]

Don't worry about Karnak, Anaxogoras. He couldn't have done it in the case of IL-2's NS-37 cannons either when they weren't in the game, they are here now as you can see. When it comes to this issue he seems to be one big double standard at work...

From another thread:

He keeps saying how the MK-108 in G-6 will get abused in events and yet he himself asks a rare gun package to another aircraft which most definately would get abused in scenarios like Niemen, Kurland, Stalins Fourth and so on. Oh wait, no it wouldn't...these kind of load out restrictions (like no bombs should be carried) will be and have been dealt with gentlemans agreements before. Many times Snapshot-event's rules state that 100% fuel should be carried also. Of course the best way would be to have a tool for the CM's so that they could define only the allowed load outs available as an arena setting for events.

G-6 is the 109 for events from 2/43 until spring/summer of '44 no matter what canopy it carries or from what serial number-block the external features of the AH's 3D-model come from. It also has to engage '44 US heavy bombers in the midwar-arena.

So as long as there are load out options like NS-37 for Il-2 and 3xB-20 for La-7 in AH, 109G-6 should have its 30mm cannon just for sake of consistency alone.

Good post.  I've been out of AH for many years and coming back I'm... well stumped as to why the 109s that had MK-108s don't anymore (as well as some variants that had ord capabilities on paper but don't in the game).  Especialy when you look at some of the very rare gun packages that are available on a couple of the other planes as you mentioned in your post.  It doesn't make sence to me (but a lot of other things in life don't too) but more importantly to me is that it's very bad consistency to the game.

[BiPoLaR]

The F4U-1C was one of the rarest Corsair variants produced. Only 200 were built 
The super rare guns for the Current LA 
And we don't have the common 30mm for the G6 

Doesn't make any since to me

[iTunes]

Don't want to attempt a Hijack or anything like that folks, but I remember Kev 367th (What ever happened to him btw?) posting about the super rare Seafire that we have in the game, apparently the model and engine type we have account for around 200 of total built
So there's another point that should be brought up someday.
As a footnote, I bet Kurfurst would know how many 30mm G6's were built and ordered, here's his website, bet it's in here somewhere.
http://www.kurfurst.org/

[Gixer]

Yea I know.. it's just one of my pet peeves, I heart my K4 but it's far from being one of the best planes. It just has a lot of skilled players whom fly it. The plane it's self is a brick with wings and a big gun.

Not it's a brick with a rocket engine and a small gun. 


<S>...-Gixer