Dont think plane....think ACM

[The Fugitive]

Explain to me how the progression of fighter performance in Aces High is not comparable to real life, please.

Your kidding right? This is a game, there for most of the info that applies to the real world fighters and such do not apply here. There is no way to compare what we "fly" to what was really flying....unless you have a couple of wings of WWII aircraft squirreled away someplace to test and compare. HTC does a wonderful job of making a FM that we assume is comparable. HTC gives us an environment to use these things in ...which has no wind, eddies, air currents, updrafts and such, and enemy for us to shoot at..... time and time again. People can't even agree that the coloring of the skins is correct....check out the skins thread if you don't believe me. 

Basing anything we do in this game to real life is like basing your skills in NHL08 against a real hockey player on ice. It just isn't the same. The general idea is there, but you'll never get close.

People choose planes for a few reasons, mostly its because its one of the fastest.....so they can run, or its got the biggest guns...so they can HO. Thats about all they think of when it comes to performance. All of our fighters are of "historic" value, you won't see HTC build a better engine for the pony, or redesign the wings on a FW. They just add what there was.

Why play then when u r better at rammin people and kamakazing O.o ^^ why bother fightin at all?

It was so much nicer when you weren't polluting the boards, your break wasn't long enough.    I don't play to ram or kamikaze anyone, I fly for the fight. I can't see why you would even say that. This is a game. We are given certain parameters to play with in and simulate dog fighting in WWII style aircraft. To compare the GAME with real life is just ridiculous. Unless of course you do pick up really hot chicks in that Maserati you drive in your killer video game on Xbox.

[Masherbrum]

Your kidding right? This is a game, there for most of the info that applies to the real world fighters and such do not apply here. There is no way to compare what we "fly" to what was really flying....unless you have a couple of wings of WWII aircraft squirreled away someplace to test and compare. HTC does a wonderful job of making a FM that we assume is comparable. HTC gives us an environment to use these things in ...which has no wind, eddies, air currents, updrafts and such, and enemy for us to shoot at..... time and time again. People can't even agree that the coloring of the skins is correct....check out the skins thread if you don't believe me. 

Basing anything we do in this game to real life is like basing your skills in NHL08 against a real hockey player on ice. It just isn't the same. The general idea is there, but you'll never get close.

People choose planes for a few reasons, mostly its because its one of the fastest.....so they can run, or its got the biggest guns...so they can HO. Thats about all they think of when it comes to performance. All of our fighters are of "historic" value, you won't see HTC build a better engine for the pony, or redesign the wings on a FW. They just add what there was.

It was so much nicer when you weren't polluting the boards, your break wasn't long enough.    I don't play to ram or kamikaze anyone, I fly for the fight. I can't see why you would even say that. This is a game. We are given certain parameters to play with in and simulate dog fighting in WWII style aircraft. To compare the GAME with real life is just ridiculous. Unless of course you do pick up really hot chicks in that Maserati you drive in your killer video game on Xbox.

This is one of the finest posts I have ever seen on here.   Why?   Because it is so blunt and true, it will hurt some.   

[mechanic]

hey Fugi S!

i believe what gavagai was saying is that our 190A5 compared to our 190D9 sees a similar margin of performance increase to the real life counterparts. Not so much that we can relate AH flight skills to real flying. I only skimmed the last page so i dont mean to step into this one, too much fun in general discussion got to run

[Yenny]

We're tryin to simulate reality, I prefer to look for the experience of it=). I think just gettin a plane up and suicide it sux. Totally a turn off on the game. Which was why I kinda took a break, it just not what I'm looking for in a flight simulation!

[Yenny]

It was so much nicer when you weren't polluting the boards, your break wasn't long enough.    I don't play to ram or kamikaze anyone, I fly for the fight. I can't see why you would even say that. This is a game. We are given certain parameters to play with in and simulate dog fighting in WWII style aircraft. To compare the GAME with real life is just ridiculous. Unless of course you do pick up really hot chicks in that Maserati you drive in your killer video game on Xbox.

was an example of what coudl happen if no one care about reality of the game. Along w/ dive bombin lancecaster etc!!

[The Fugitive]

was an example of what coudl happen if no one care about reality of the game. Along w/ dive bombin lancecaster etc!!

Agreed here, I believe the game MUST change. Too many "quake" style players. I suggested a "score keeping" change to promote better play, just to try to get better game play. This game has a lot to offer as a GAME there are many things to do, and many ways to have fun.  We certainly don't need divebombing lancs and such.

[BnZs]

Am I the only one who is not so terribly pessimistic about the MA right now. Every time I up a plane, I can find large numbers of planes trying to kill me, I try to kill them and come out the other side with a whole plane, and this is not a task so easy I am bored with it.

[PFactorDave]

Am I the only one who is not so terribly pessimistic about the MA right now. Every time I up a plane, I can find large numbers of planes trying to kill me, I try to kill them and come out the other side with a whole plane, and this is not a task so easy I am bored with it.

I've been having quite a bit of fun in the MA.  Of course, I wasn't around during this fabled golden age of flight sims that is so often talked about.

[mechanic]

I'm with you BnZ and Dave, when i get a chance to fly i usualy find wall to wall fun and you usualy have turn the power off to stop me having one last sortie.

[Anaxogoras]

hey Fugi S!

i believe what gavagai was saying is that our 190A5 compared to our 190D9 sees a similar margin of performance increase to the real life counterparts. Not so much that we can relate AH flight skills to real flying. I only skimmed the last page so i dont mean to step into this one, too much fun in general discussion got to run

Oh my God!  You see?  This is what happens when you put some thought into reading!

Seriously, you have two comparable hypotheses.  One says gavagai believes AH air combat is just like real life.  The other says gavagai believes that late war aircraft in AH being better than early war aircraft is comparable to real late war aircraft being better than real early war aircraft.  Which do you choose?

Fugitive, that was one of the most inept AH bbs straw-man attacks I have ever seen.

[mechanic]

Fugitive has a very good points still. It happens, we all misread something in between the real good quality crap, calm down its not like you were stating a cure for aids and being misunderstood

[The Fugitive]

Oh my God!  You see?  This is what happens when you put some thought into reading!

Seriously, you have two comparable hypotheses.  One says gavagai believes AH air combat is just like real life.  The other says gavagai believes that late war aircraft in AH being better than early war aircraft is comparable to real late war aircraft being better than real early war aircraft.  Which do you choose?

Fugitive, that was one of the most inept AH bbs straw-man attacks I have ever seen.

Maybe you should look into a writing course or two.  Again, I say they are NOT comparable. Real life WWII was about improving aircraft so the pilots did a better job, and returned home to fly again. Here we have a set of toy aircraft that ....in most cases people pretend to fly and die only to reup in a brite new plane. How can any of that compare? A rolling plane set might "simulate" advances in technology, but you'll never see that in AH.

Yes I can still find fun in the MA's, but it was a lot easier in the "old days". It was rare when you spotted someone bombing stuff to milk run. Some of the biggest fights were escorted missions hitting HQ to knock out radar. In those days you'd see 15-20 goons running supplies in to get dar back up. These days everyone says "let the other guy handle it, I have some vulching to do" 

[Anaxogoras]

Fugitive has a very good points still. It happens, we all misread something in between the real good quality crap, calm down its not like you were stating a cure for aids and being misunderstood

If you heard me say it in person, the subtle heights of irony and sarcasm my tone of voice conveyed would have left a different impression.   But, yeah, I get worked up when people interpret my words in the worst possible way.

Fugitive, stop trolling.  I'm done.

[Murdr]

Refer to Shaw, chapters 3 and 4 if anyone is confused on whether the similarities or dissimilarities between aircraft is an important factor for determining the tactics to apply to an engagment.  It is a fundamental factor to base ones tactical approach on.

Also a quote regarding discussions in the help and training forum comes to mind as I browse this thread...

Anyone attempting to coerce other players into thier style of gameplay is wrong to do so.  It is one thing to offer up the different styles, but it is an entirely different matter when one attempts to force other players to play 'thier' game.

Telling another player they are wrong in the way they wish to play the game is akin to telling someone they should not like Apple pie as Cherry is much better.  You are wasting your time and just creating friction in doing this.

[hammer]

I'm pretty sure banana creme pie is best