too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.

[4deck]

When Do i get a different thing then nickel

[Cthulhu]

What about when a guy breaks from a 1v1?  That's when I call them chicken glaze.

What about when the guy who breaks had the advantage? Dadrabit and I had a great 1v1 a few days ago that lasted for maybe 3 minutes in which he never really got a chance to go offensive. Eventually I hit bingo fuel and headed for home. He didn't pursue, so I'm thinking he had gas issues of his own. As soon as I landed (dead stick no less), I made a point of getting out, reviewing the film, and PM'ing him about what a great fight it was. Which one of us was chicken glaze?

Once again Dadrabit, awesome fight.

[Steve]

Well, just going by the definition of "picking" I was assuming that you could get picked in a furball as easily as a mission.  

Absolutely, and thus why I said "everybody picks".

Think about it, as you enter a furball and your SA sorts out the threats, if you are the typical MA guy, your first reaction is probably to: A: engage the plane(s) that seems to be the biggest threat in the area by nature of his energy state(ties may go to a particular plane type you feel is more dangerous), or B: jump the guy who is fast upon the heels of a teammate and about to kill him.

In other words, your first choices probably don't include: C: find another guy who isn't engaged yet. In choices A and B, your effort to make the kill will be picks. There's nothing wrong with this, it's an integral part of the furball dance.

Now, calling someone a picker implies something subtley different. If you call someone a picker you are implying that this person relies solely, or almost solely, on picking to get kills. Because each of us  picks as opportunity/prudence allows does not mean we make a "living" at  it as some people do.

[33Vortex]

Just a general comment not specifically to pluck but triggered by his reply. I'm not so interested in judging people's flying abilities on the boards, I can see that well enough ingame when it matters. Additionally there seems to be considerable misunderstandings about what IS a pick and what is NOT. Again, it doesn't really matter and where does it lead to argue about the definition of... yeah, of what exactly? There are maneuvers, there is SA, there are also planes to choose from and different weapons to use. Putting people into categories after percieved skill or playstyle is not something I do. I'm more inclined to put them into categories after how they behave themselves ingame and on the boards. That tells a lot more about a person's 'skill' than to pick or not to pick in a game.

People who shoot me down in a display of skill earn my deep respect. Likewise people who show me respect get it in return, regardless of skill level. If I get shot down because I made a mistake I will be disappointed with myself and that doesn't score my opponent any points in my book. From what I can see, some people just have a strange view of what exactly is 'screwing up' on their part.

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[Wingnutt]

There is nothing more to it than that.

so if you see a buddy trying to RTB with a smoking engine, missing aleron, no rudder, and a goat turd smeared across the canopy,  and a LA7 comes in after him.. and he askes for help, your a "picker tard" or such for attacking the LA7,,



oh yea, and I guess anyone who defends bombers is a picker too..'


Buff driver:  hey, ive got a A8 comin in, need a little help, 

You: well it looks like hes committed, so I cant shoot at him.. sorry.


Ill admit both circumstances are absurd and not what we are talking about..  but thats what you open your self up to when you say " picking is any time you attack a con who is already engaged, period"  paint with a big brush, get drips.

[Steve]

but thats what you open your self up to when you say " picking is any time you attack a con who is already engaged, period"  paint with a big brush, get drips.

That's the definition, always has been.  As has been said repeatedly, everybody picks now and then.

[pluck]

Just a general comment not specifically to pluck but triggered by his reply. I'm not so interested in judging people's flying abilities on the boards, I can see that well enough ingame when it matters. Additionally there seems to be considerable misunderstandings about what IS a pick and what is NOT. Again, it doesn't really matter and where does it lead to argue about the definition of... yeah, of what exactly? There are maneuvers, there is SA, there are also planes to choose from and different weapons to use. Putting people into categories after percieved skill or playstyle is not something I do. I'm more inclined to put them into categories after how they behave themselves ingame and on the boards. That tells a lot more about a person's 'skill' than to pick or not to pick in a game.

People who shoot me down in a display of skill earn my deep respect. Likewise people who show me respect get it in return, regardless of skill level. If I get shot down because I made a mistake I will be disappointed with myself and that doesn't score my opponent any points in my book. From what I can see, some people just have a strange view of what exactly is 'screwing up' on their part.

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I've enjoyed our conversation and that I agree with what you are saying, especially about in-game behavior.    

I wasn't trying to attach "rightness," "wrongness," or any form of skill level to picker or pickee, as it relates to both parties...just that it is hard to tell.  Personally, getting picked usually doesn't bother me much, I can accept it is my fault, not the guy trying to shoot me.  We all have our styles and different ways in which we approach the game.  I think definitions are a bit of an issue....I've been called a HO-tard for shooting someone from dead six , and I'm sure more than a few arguments have ensued on 200.  I was hoping my posts weren't focusing too much on the idea of skill, I was trying to detatch it from the picking equation...as you can be a skilled cartoon airplane warrior and pick a plane.  In the larger picture, keeping yourself alive in a sea of red not always an easy task, whether a goal or not.  In the end having some good fights and fun with friends/arena is by far more important than anything else.

[Murdr]

so if you see a buddy trying to RTB with a smoking engine, missing aleron, no rudder, and a goat turd smeared across the canopy,  and a LA7 comes in after him.. and he askes for help, your a "picker tard" or such for attacking the LA7,,



oh yea, and I guess anyone who defends bombers is a picker too..'


Buff driver:  hey, ive got a A8 comin in, need a little help, 

You: well it looks like hes committed, so I cant shoot at him.. sorry.


Ill admit both circumstances are absurd and not what we are talking about..  but thats what you open your self up to when you say " picking is any time you attack a con who is already engaged, period"  paint with a big brush, get drips.

From the rest of the post you quoted...
Gosh, you guys see a word used in a negative connotation, and assume:  It is universaly "wrong" somehow, and then by extention, it needs redefined base on that errent assumption.  When really the only issue is that whatever "it" is, is a bad thing when taken to excess.

Since you seemed to completely miss that point.

What the heck is with you guys that have been around a couple of years, and can't seem to pick up some very basic jargon that's been around for over a decade?

[Ciaphas]

@VonMessa, Spot on mate!

[RumbleB]

What the heck is with you guys that have been around a couple of years, and can't seem to pick up some very basic jargon that's been around for over a decade?

People don't like to be taught a lesson. Good thing I'm not a teacher!

[Wingnutt]

ok, so mow suddenly "picking" as its called, or being "a picker" is not a "bad thing"  ok sure..  Im sure it never carries a negative connotation 

[33Vortex]

"There are two things that are infinite. The universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the first one."

- Albert Einstein

[rod367th]

>SNIP> 3. telling them to leave to go training or calling them squeakers. instead of just letting others help them shows at least me i want them in the game more than i would like u in the game

            4. telling them that spitfire is a dweebs plane is ridiculous. There are no dweeb planes every plane has its good points and its disadvantages. >/SNIP>

We would all like you to go to the TA with him if you want to clog the text buffer with your explainations on how to do basic things to someone who wont read the help files.

Spitfires are really easy planes to fly and new folks can get a lot of confidence in such a forgiving plane that does not require as much experience to get a kill.







Shuffler as soon as a new player says "Can someone help me"  before you can type what is problem 4  or 5 guys typing alt f4  or go read #$%% help file noob.  so first impression of game to new players is to act this way. This is there first impression of the game, and the cycle continues on. When its not hard to just squelch them and guy willing to help. easy just to squelch the newplayer and guy helping by clicking on roster. Is this way to hard for you?



Same thing about  200 it  shows worst side of the player base. mostly those complaining about what i posted about are taking up 200 showing new players worst impression of US.

[rod367th]

Sounds like your tired of defending yourself from all of the above.

But I agree with you on all but the first.

no justification just unreal how you go away for 6 months or more. Come back same old crap on 200. same ignorance of the game. Tell someone its noe is 499ft or less have 10 guys swearing on thier mothers live its 200 or less. you tell them how to see arena setting s they call u idiot for 15 mins. or you try to help a newplayter 5 guys thinking alf f4 funny. as u see some admit  in this topic they think its okay right of passage. when if you really cared about future of this game you would help new players or atleast stay quiet.

[NoBaddy]

ok, so mow suddenly "picking" as its called, or being "a picker" is not a "bad thing"  ok sure..  Im sure it never carries a negative connotation 

It never has been a bad thing, except when it is the ONLY way you can get kills. Why would it be that way? Because about the only way to get easier kills is to find the mutha lode of dweeb trying to take off with the field ack down. BTW, generally speaking, anyone complaining about being cherry picked is really saying that they were flying like a cherry. So...who should be insulted...the picker...or the pickee?