Whaler ship cuts USS PETA Batboat in two

[DREDger]

So it is the activists responsibility to get out of the way.

I don't know who rammed who, and I don't want to make a judgement call on it based on just some videos... but by what you just said, the greenies are at fault for the entire situation to begin with for getting too close to an un-maneuverable ship in open waters.

Well it's not quite that simple.  Here is a cut and paste:

The term “vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre” means a vessel which from the nature of her work is restricted in her ability to manoeuvre as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep out of the way of another vessel. The term “vessels restricted in their ability to manoeuvre” shall include:
(i) a vessel engaged in laying, servicing or picking up a navigation mark, submarine cable or pipeline;
(ii) a vessel engaged in dredging, surveying or underwater operations;
(iii) a vessel engaged in replenishment or transferring persons, provisions or cargo while underway;
(iv) a vessel engaged in the launching or recovery of aircraft;
(v) a vessel engaged in mine clearance operations;
(vi) a vessel engaged in a towing operation such as severely restricts the towing vessel and her tow in their ability to deviate from their course.

The whaling vessel isn't considered as restricted in this case.  Clearly with the hard turn to starboard to ram the batboat, she has fair manoeuvre capablity.  The whaling ship is even smaller than a destroyer, and those turn on a dime.

Whaling vessel at fault.

[Vulcan]

The whaling vessel isn't considered as restricted in this case.  Clearly with the hard turn to starboard to ram the batboat, she has fair manoeuvre capablity.  The whaling ship is even smaller than a destroyer, and those turn on a dime.

Whaling vessel at fault.

Maritime safety experts here consider both at fault, the whaler for getting too close, the the sea shepherd for accelerating into the whalers path. Best video too watch is the japanese one, the ss one is from a 3rd vessel - in heavy seas (pretty hard to keep things relative).

[DrDea]

  Clearly with the hard turn to starboard to ram the batboat, she has fair manoeuvre capablity.  The whaling ship is even smaller than a destroyer, and those turn on a dime.
Whaling vessel at fault.

Clearly with the batboats hard turn to port its the fault of said morons for even BEING in that area. I dont know what film your watching and getting a clearly out of any of it. I clearly see the batboat throttle up and shoot right into it. Just like they have a history of. To blame the whale boat just shows very little comprehensive ability. The whaleing boat has business being there. The bat boat has only the business of trying to hinder.They screwed up and got run over.
 Batboat at fault.

[Chalenge]

BS the 'bat boat' isnt navigating anything its there for purely harassment purposes and yes they have even gone to the trouble of playing up the part of being pirates on a pirate vessel dressed as common thieves and with nothing on their minds but pranks and skullduggery... hang them as hazards to navigation if nothing else but pirates of decency.

[DREDger]

I know most of you figure these eco zealots had it coming.  To a large degree I agree with that sentiment.

But both video's corroborate a hard turn to starboard by the whaling ship to intentionally ram.  That is a direct use of deadly force.  Granted, what the eco zealots do in fouling prop blades and tossing stinkbombs could be construed as an indirect use of deadly force.

Whaling 'security' ship can evade, use water cannons, high pitched sirens, that's all fine. But an intentional act of ramming a smaller ship crosses the line.  That is tantamount to mounting a cannon and firing it at the smaller ship.

Whaling security ship in the wrong.

[Fishu]

Maritime safety experts here consider both at fault, the whaler for getting too close, the the sea shepherd for accelerating into the whalers path. Best video too watch is the japanese one, the ss one is from a 3rd vessel - in heavy seas (pretty hard to keep things relative).

How can the whaler avoid from getting too close to a speed boat with maximum speed of 45 knt and which is intentionally trying to come too close over and over again? Such harassing must be illegal. It's hard to imagine that the law would allow you to constantly block another ship by restricting it's movement. It's not the only time the SS came that close to the whaler.

[Fishu]

But both video's corroborate a hard turn to starboard by the whaling ship to intentionally ram.  That is a direct use of deadly force.  Granted, what the eco zealots do in fouling prop blades and tossing stinkbombs could be construed as an indirect use of deadly force.

Exactly how does the whaler's video corroborate a hard turn to starboard? Only Bob Barker's video has some indications of it and that is not the whaler turning, but the camera perspective.

[Sonicblu]

System: you have collided.


Pm.  Hey you ace pilot I was diving in for the pick when you turned in front of me ramming me.

I think these guys have played AH.

A deliberate collision and the cry they got RAMMED. OH the irony of it all to end up on a AH bb of all things.

[2ADoc]

System: you have collided.


Pm.  Hey you ace pilot I was diving in for the pick when you turned in front of me ramming me.

I think these guys have played AH.

A deliberate collision and the cry they got RAMMED. OH the irony of it all to end up on a AH bb of all things.

At least they didnt get rammed for behind. 

[PJ_Godzilla]

In point of fact you do not understand the rules of navigation on the ocean.  A boat approaching from your starboard (right) side has right of way. If you are approaching another boat from its starboard side, you have right of way.  That is maritime 101, look it up if you don't believe me.

This applies to powered boats (not sailboats).  The reason this law is universally applied is to avoid two ships captains getting in an argument over who is more manoeuvrable and faster, and thus should yield to the other.  Can you imagine how ludicrous such a situation would be.

It can clearly be seen from both videos that the whaling vessel made a hard turn to starboard (right) with the intention of ramming the batboat.

Maybe the batboat guys had it coming, but you can't discount the plain visual evidence just because you empathize with the whalers.

You are technically correct, of course, and that's why you mount green to starboard, red to port. However, there's an implicit malice in the use of that right of way by a smaller, faster boat to restrict the navigation of the larger vessel. It's navigation in bad faith, for want of a better term - use of the rules to force an untenable navigation situation on the larger vessel.   

[james]

The law of gross tonnage has been applied i'd say. Both vessels are ignoring the nav rules. It's what they do. The japanese think whales taste like chicken and the SS guys think whale lives are more important then human lives. The SS boat drivers and coordination with the Irwin is laughable at best. They almost take themselves out just launching a small boat let alone using one on the stink bomb attack lol.

[SIK1]

Right of way does not apply. The Japanese vessel is clearly under attack from a pirate vessel, and they have every right to defend themselves.

What the sea scum is doing is violating international law. Maybe they should try spending the money to change the laws instead of buying boats.

[DREDger]

that's why you mount green to starboard, red to port.  

Interesting, thanks for posting that.  I hadn't thought about that in terms of traffic lights.  So someone to your starboard see's a green light, they know they have the 'go' light, or right of way.  

However, there's an implicit malice in the use of that right of way by a smaller, faster boat to restrict the navigation of the larger vessel. It's navigation in bad faith, for want of a better term - use of the rules to force an untenable navigation situation on the larger vessel.  

I have to agree with that.  The batboat could probably flip its direction as fast as any waterskiing boat on any lake in the usa.

The whaling boat did make an obvious turn to starboard in order to ram though, that is plain enough.  

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Sun

Anti-Whaling Group Files Piracy Complaint Against Japanese Whalers

SYDNEY  —  A conservationist group that lost one of its ships in a clash with Japanese whalers off Antarctica has filed a piracy complaint in the Netherlands against the captain and crew of the whaling vessel, one of the group's leaders said Saturday.

The filing comes after the bow of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society's Ady Gil was sheared off in a collision Wednesday with the far larger Japanese ship — the most serious clash in what has become an annual confrontation off the frozen continent. A Sea Shepherd volunteer suffered cracked ribs.

The whaler, Shonan Maru No. 2, suffered no apparent damage. Both sides blame the other for the crash, which occurred as the Ady Gil harassed the Japanese fleet.

On Friday, Sea Shepherd lodged a piracy complaint with the Dutch prosecuting authority, Sea Shepherd Deputy CEO Chuck Swift told The Associated Press by satellite phone from his ship, the Bob Barker. The ship is named for the former TV game show host, who donated $5 million to buy it.

A copy of the complaint translated from Dutch to English by Sea Shepherd officials was provided to the AP. It argues the whalers are guilty of piracy because they served on a vessel that was used to commit an act of violence. The complaint urges Dutch authorities to take action within two weeks......

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582666,00.html

[Fishu]

lol, and SS is the one with the pirate flag.