Dueling vs MA fighting

[Wmaker]

Whoops combat loses were 29 planes (my bad) with 230 confirmed and 80 probable. Obviously all sides had issues with over claiming but the losses are pretty well documented. Fin's had 158+ vs 15 losses or something close to that. Would be another great addition to the game IMO.

According to my source which is Fighters over France and the Low Countries from Mushroom Publications which has a table showing the losses on daily bases, French lost a total of 62 Hawks during the Battle of France and from the Internet sources I've gathered that they lost further 7 before that during the Phoney War-period.

Finns lost 8 Hawks in aireal combat and 6 due to AAA and scored 190 1/3 victories with them.

They didn't enjoy such success against the Wildcat in North Africa, only 7 kills for the loss of 15 H75s.

I was talking about their serivce in Armee De l'air. Haven't taken a look at the losses of the Vichy Hawks.

[uptown]

And your stats would tell us that you did exactly that.

Score & Stats often (not always) actually can tell us about a player...

Yes  but that ain't fair. the buffs kept coming to the factory real low. Hit em a few times and let the ack finish them off 

[Krusty]

I disagree that stats really tell you how a person got their kills. In only a rare case or two (all 262 kills, in your example) will it give any insight.

How about 190Ds? P51s? La7s? It tells you nothing about how timid the craft in question was flown. All of these rides can be flown agressively in close combat or used to pick and run at 550mph. You also can't use deaths to see how they flew, because they might have simply flown for fun, flown into giant enemy furballs wrecklessly, or simply sucked at running/picking.

In most cases, plane stats are only helpful to the pilot who created them.

[Yeager]

Would be very interesting to see the Hawk in AH.  Someday 

[dedalos]

yea it's true in those massive fur-balls i was having the most trouble with the la5s and the m-16s people were running to, however in that night of goofing off i was 17-12 ...

and i often thought extending to help vs. superior enemy numbers or when stale and a late comer was inbound was my best option in my G-6 with pods

however i am not here saying i am better than anyone, or that anyone else is no good.

Lol, massive furbals in the AvA? Bahaha. It was 10 or 15 total online and the 109s where waiting by the runway lol. The only running done was trying to catch you hehe

As i said, a litle practice 1vs1 and you would feel confident that you could rtb after killing the enemy. Wont always work out, but its better than having no options

[Lusche]

I disagree that stats really tell you how a person got their kills. In only a rare case or two (all 262 kills, in your example) will it give any insight.

How about 190Ds? P51s? La7s? It tells you nothing about how timid the craft in question was flown. All of these rides can be flown agressively in close combat or used to pick and run at 550mph. You also can't use deaths to see how they flew, because they might have simply flown for fun, flown into giant enemy furballs wrecklessly, or simply sucked at running/picking.

And that's why you put everything in relation to each other. K/D, KS, time per sortie ect. (Someone Always trying to pick, but sucking at it will have low K/S, K/s and a long average time per sortie)

Often it will give you a picture. Not always of course (and you have to be careful with your judgment too) but I didn't claim that either.

But saying "you can't see anything from stats" in a plain wrong statement.

[thorsim]

15 guys is a pretty big fur-ball imo

and since 2 of my deaths were to m-16s it should be apparent that i was chasing a few guys as well ...

Lol, massive furbals in the AvA? Bahaha. It was 10 or 15 total online and the 109s where waiting by the runway lol. The only running done was trying to catch you hehe

As i said, a litle practice 1vs1 and you would feel confident that you could rtb after killing the enemy. Wont always work out, but its better than having no options

[BnZs]

you suggest you think i don't know things when the average stats suggest you are the inferior player ...

you do realize the M in ACM does not stand for moxy don't you ?

According to this months stats, under "fighter" I have a kill/death ratio of 3.58. This is not too bad considering I will actually take a risk and fight it out when the odds are not awful. I have a kills/sortie of 1.95-I *never* hotpad, so this is decent. I average 5.87 kills per hour. The last is rather low, I readily admit. In my defense, I do sometimes do such time-wasters as escort and long-range raids.

This month, you have a k/d of 1.82, a kills/sortie of 1.09, and a kills time of 3.13. This last is absurdly low...this means you only shoot down an airplane every 19minutes? This indicates what you are doing, or rather, what you are NOT doing: Actually fighting to any extent at all. But everybody knew that... Considering the fuel duration of a 190 in the MA, you are probably hot-padding a considerable percentage of the time to get the kills/sortie above 1.

None of this has any real meaning to the issue at hand, which is showing and understanding of ACM, which by your statements and constantly blaming the sim when something you don't understand happens, shows you don't.

[thorsim]

and did you look at last months and the months before ?

or did you find the one tour you have done better since i started playing this game what 6 tours ago?

According to this months stats, under "fighter" I have a kill/death ratio of 3.58. This is not too bad considering I will actually take a risk and fight it out when the odds are not awful. I have a kills/sortie of 1.95-I *never* hotpad, so this is decent. I average 5.87 kills per hour. The last is rather low, I readily admit. In my defense, I do sometimes do such time-wasters as escort and long-range raids.

This month, you have a k/d of 1.82, a kills/sortie of 1.09, and a kills time of 3.13. This last is absurdly low...this means you only shoot down an airplane every 19minutes? This indicates what you are doing, or rather, what you are NOT doing: Actually fighting to any extent at all. But everybody knew that... Considering the fuel duration of a 190 in the MA, you are probably hot-padding a considerable percentage of the time to get the kills/sortie above 1.

None of this has any real meaning to the issue at hand, which is showing and understanding of ACM, which by your statements and constantly blaming the sim when something you don't understand happens, shows you don't.

[BnZs]

and did you look at last months and the months before ?

or did you find the one tour you have done better since i started playing this game what 6 tours ago?

Last month was your best tour to date, with a k/d of 4, however, you still have a very low kills/time of 4 for that tour. My fighter K/D was 3.25 for the same period with a k/t of 5.18. Your k/d was 4.16 for the tour before that with a k/t of 3.53. Kills/death is the easiest of all scoring categories to jack up with incredibly timid flying, which your average kills/time indicates is your MO. Looking back, I realize a problem with interpreting my scores is that up until recently I flew few to no sorties scored as "fighter" . In many tours, if you care to look you will find my A2A stats for my attack score actually being better than my fighter score, as is ironically, the case this month. Since I have often flown so many more sorties scored as attack, I won't mind having the stats from that used as the comparison to your "fighter" score. Even though it will include things like upping from capp'ed fields, which we both know you never do. If you want to settle this question in the DA, that would be fine with me, however, I know you don't, since we both know how that would go.

[thorsim]

well you see i am not questioning your ACM it is the other way around and quite frankly unfounded since ...

a) i am relatively new to the game

b) you know absolutely nothing about me sir

[BnZs]

well you see i am not questioning your ACM it is the other way around and quite frankly unfounded since ...

a) i am relatively new to the game

b) you know absolutely nothing about me sir

Fair.

Okay, I'll go back to square one and say this one more time in a civil manner. When you hear about an A-20 beating a Spitfire in a dogfight, it is not because the A-20 has any magical powers of climb or turn in AHII you don't know about. It is because the Spitfire pilot made a gross mistake, which the caveat that a good pilot can force can trick even the experienced to make gross mistakes, especially if they think they are in for an easy kill. Most pilots who will do something like win a Boston vs. Spit match-up or the like are masters at defeating gun solutions, and masters of the snapshot themselves. Like I say, 90% of the time its just a case of one pilot slowing down more effectively than the other and making a good shot at a fleeting opportunity. Batfink's Mossie films are the best example of this.

[dedalos]

15 guys is a pretty big fur-ball imo

and since 2 of my deaths were to m-16s it should be apparent that i was chasing a few guys as well ...

Not clicking yet. Oh well, as long as you are havibg fun its all good

[Bronk]

Not clicking yet. Oh well, as long as you are havibg fun its all good

Films may help. 

[SlapShot]

At some point you could have tried and turn and take a chance instead of just fly straight hoping I hit a tree.

Nothing more satisfying than catching a chest-thumping, timid, hit & run experten with their pants down and all they can do is fly straight and level ...