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Offline TwinEng

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Re: Pacific
« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2010, 08:51:29 PM »
we have to keep things in perspective. the animosity/hatred, fear and war crimes were on both sides, not just the japanese.
surrendering, defenseless imperial army soldiers were at times shot or flamed with napalm. navy fighters also strafed surviving japanese sailors that were on rafts.
and these were even put down as written orders by high ranking u.s. officers.

the pacific war was a hundredfold more brutal than the ETO.

We did go all out against the Japanese.   Even Superman was used against them.   Two major production Superman cartoons were produced by Paramount in 1942 showing him battling the Japanese.

The Japoteurs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YDO8HR_2Xg

The Eleventh Hour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0FNvYi49kY

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Re: Pacific
« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2010, 11:05:54 PM »
     I'm hoping this was meant as a joke.  The Pacific theater was a definite afterthought during the war.  Hitler and
Europe was Roosevelt's main priority, no question about it.
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« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2010, 11:52:35 PM »
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Re: Pacific
« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2010, 11:52:58 PM »
We did go all out against the Japanese.   Even Superman was used against them.   Two major production Superman cartoons were produced by Paramount in 1942 showing him battling the Japanese.

The Japoteurs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YDO8HR_2Xg

The Eleventh Hour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0FNvYi49kY

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Heck, even Bugs got in on the act.

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Re: Pacific
« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2010, 12:24:38 AM »
doesn't hold a candle to Band of Brothers

Hanks needs to keep his political views out of his films
^This coming from a guy that flies cartoon airplanes and knows what it was like at Guadalcanal from playing in a scenario.

Episode 1 BoB vs Episode 1 Pacific. Pac wins hands down.
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Re: Pacific
« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2010, 06:24:35 AM »
Quote from: Eagler on Yesterday at 12:04:22 PM
doesn't hold a candle to Band of Brothers

Hanks needs to keep his political views out of his films
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^This coming from a guy that flies cartoon airplanes and knows what it was like at Guadalcanal from playing in a scenario.

Episode 1 BoB vs Episode 1 Pacific. Pac wins hands down.

Well, Hanks should have keep his big fat mouth shut this week, that is for sure.  Labeling both US Soldiers fighting in the Pacific in WWII as well as current US forces fighting in Afghanistan as being "racist" and "ignorant" was completely uncalled for, in my opinion.

Did our soldiers really want to kill Japs because they looked different than us??   I say no.   The Japanese soldiers themselves were brutal and cruel.   How else could we have fought them?

I'm sure that the Marines in the Pacific did many terrible things to the Japanese soldiers.   But it was not because they were a different race.

Last year's Miniseries "World War II in HD" on the History channel had a major segment about Guadalcanal in it.   They actually showed real life film of the bodies of American soldiers that had been so horribly mutilated by the Japanese, as a warning to other US troops.   The soldier they were following on Guadalcanal recalled that horrific sight in his commentary while the images were being shown.   He said that no words of any kind were spoken among the Marines as they past the ghastly sight.   But he also said that he knew deep down in his heart, that his unit was now not going to be taking any prisoners.    And they indeed didn't.

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Re: Pacific
« Reply #81 on: March 18, 2010, 06:51:20 AM »
^This coming from a guy that flies cartoon airplanes and knows what it was like at Guadalcanal from playing in a scenario.

Episode 1 BoB vs Episode 1 Pacific. Pac wins hands down.

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Re: Pacific
« Reply #82 on: March 18, 2010, 07:47:52 AM »
Did our soldiers really want to kill Japs because they looked different than us??   I say no.   The Japanese soldiers themselves were brutal and cruel.   How else could we have fought them?

I'm sure that the Marines in the Pacific did many terrible things to the Japanese soldiers.   But it was not because they were a different race.


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Re: Pacific
« Reply #83 on: March 18, 2010, 08:18:22 AM »
I'm sure that the Marines in the Pacific did many terrible things to the Japanese soldiers.   But it was not because they were a different race.

It is far easier to kill someone who you believe is not only evil but may also be subhuman. I don't fault the propaganda nor the American Military during the war years, but I don't feel Hanks is accurate comparing any of that to the conflict in Afghanistan. I have never seen any effort to diminish anyone in the Middle East, there may an effort but it isn't mainstream nor is it backed by the American citizen or the US Government.

That said, the propaganda during the war years was far more cruel to the Japanese than it was to the Germans. Yes, Hitler was constantly mocked in posters, comics, and even cartoons but I've never seen the individual German soldier or German citizen mocked with images of an individual wearing thick glasses, with buck teeth, and an inability to grasp basic thought.
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Re: Pacific
« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2010, 08:43:16 AM »
navy fighters also strafed surviving japanese sailors that were on rafts.
and these were even put down as written orders by high ranking u.s. officers.

You think there might be a reason for that? Many PT boats lost crew members trying to take live prisoners. You get them on board, and they grab the first handy object and try to kill somebody. Sometimes they were successful.

Normal technique was to club them unconscious with a boat hook and then try to drag them on board. A lot did not want to be rescued by the evil american butchers.

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Re: Pacific
« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2010, 08:44:31 AM »
It is far easier to kill someone who you believe is not only evil but may also be subhuman. I don't fault the propaganda nor the American Military during the war years, but I don't feel Hanks is accurate comparing any of that to the conflict in Afghanistan. I have never seen any effort to diminish anyone in the Middle East, there may an effort but it isn't mainstream nor is it backed by the American citizen or the US Government.

That said, the propaganda during the war years was far more cruel to the Japanese than it was to the Germans. Yes, Hitler was constantly mocked in posters, comics, and even cartoons but I've never seen the individual German soldier or German citizen mocked with images of an individual wearing thick glasses, with buck teeth, and an inability to grasp basic thought.

very true.

japan's self-enforced isolation led to a culture of seeing other races as subhuman also. this is why few japanese soldiers at that time gave little thought to killing/torturing/maltreating all chinese during the rape of nanking. live chinese civilians and POW were used for "bayonet practice" and to help instill "yamato damashii" in new japanese army recruits. in french-indochina, when "local provisioning" became insufficient in the later years of the war, indo-pakistani POW's were eaten/cannibalized by japanese troops. they would cut and cook ears, nose, lips, fingers first and tie up the POW- this to keep him alive and for his meat to remain fresh(if he dies his meat turns bad faster in tropical heat.) later they would get the very same person(still alive but missing previous parts) and cut his thigh meat, buttocks, chest. last to be taken are internal organs, the liver in most cases which ultimately leads to the POW's death.

reading james bradley's "flyboys" will give you a better insight into the cultural divide that existed between americans and japanese prior to and during the war.

this is why i say the pacific war was a hundredfold more brutal than the ETO.

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Re: Pacific
« Reply #86 on: March 18, 2010, 09:46:11 AM »
live chinese civilians and POW were used for "bayonet practice"

Interesting you say that, my grandfather was brought in as an advisor after WWII ended and later in Korea as well. He has a scrapbook where the same was done to the Chinese and Koreans, he even made a note in the book where it states 'fruit cocktail was given to the men doing the deed'. This way, they could keep the strength up and use the bayonet instead of wasting bullets. Before you ask, neither my grandfather nor the US military was taking part in the horrific crime.
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« Reply #87 on: March 18, 2010, 09:59:38 AM »
 :furious :furious  dont have HBO here and wasnt going to get it just to watch this show, ive heard its really good and well directed, hopefully it will come out on a DVD collection soon©™
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Re: Pacific
« Reply #89 on: March 18, 2010, 11:08:35 AM »
Go read "War Without Mercy" by John Dower:  http://www.amazon.com/War-Without-Mercy-Power-Pacific/dp/0394751728.

Sorry, but I do not bother to read such utter garbage.   Authors who want to re-write history to make the USA look to be no different than Japan in terms of morality or culpability are liberal trash in my mind.

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