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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2010, 07:35:26 PM »
Beefcake, I admit I don't enjoy breaking even (just barely too) against bombers. But I thought of something I thought would improve game play, I posted it, and you guys proceded to show me that its not as bad as I first imagined.

And Lusche, I guarantee its not fun for the recieving side to have all bases within 50 miles of your pending attack completely leveled (yesterday, I saw that the 91'st had leveled A96. Not even the siren object was left standing  :rofl.)

You're pretty much saying "I enjoy killing the fight (sometimes, the only GOOD fight, depending on the map) for my target, just because some "win teh warz!!!!" guy got annoyed that a furball lasted more than a few hours". You don't  SEEM to be part of that crowd, but personally I feel its not much different than those that say "fly better" when a newb asks how not to get killed (as if the newb was choosing to fly poorly).


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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2010, 07:39:48 PM »
And Lusche, I guarantee its not fun for the recieving side to have all bases within 50 miles of your pending attack completely leveled (yesterday, I saw that the 91'st had leveled A96. Not even the siren object was left standing  :rofl.)

You're pretty much saying "I enjoy killing the fight (sometimes, the only GOOD fight, depending on the map) for my target, just because some "win teh warz!!!!" guy got annoyed that a furball lasted more than a few hours". You don't  SEEM to be part of that crowd, but personally I feel its not much different than those that say "fly better" when a newb asks how not to get killed (as if the newb was choosing to fly poorly).

I usually AM on the receiving side. I'm a bomber hunter. I fight them. A full dar forming up in a sector way behind the frontlines are attracting me like honey attracts the bees. Even better if they are really high, AND being escorted.

And you know... hangars stay down only for 15 minutes ;)

If you take into account how long it takes for the bomber guys to form up & get to alt (and to return from their sortie), it's not a very efficient way to fight "the war"... be glad they are doing it this way, instead of suciding heavy jugs onto your hangars, which is much quicker...
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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2010, 07:49:54 PM »
Something to note, because the argument of dropping all hangers has been had over and over again; different types of players see it very different.  Most of the guys on the 91st are patient guys, which allows us to fly an hour and a half mission.  There are some fighters who like instant gratification though, and when we drop all the fighter hangers, they get all in a tiff.  IF we get all the hangers, that's 15 minutes of down time.  Rarely do we drop all the hangers at all the bases we attack in a flight, all it takes is one mistake and all those fighters are enabled.  I'd say it's safe to say we've never landed while the hangers are still down.  

We've been around for a year doing what we do, and guess what, people are still fighting.  I just don't buy the "tool-shedding" complaints.
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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2010, 08:45:25 PM »
Jayhawk, your mission yesterday killed all the fighters at 3 bases (the only bases within 4 sectors) at one point or another. Maybe its the guys with you, IDK. But regardless of if YOU  do, all the hangers at A100, A96, and A92 were down (not nessicarily at all 3 at the same time) as a direct result of your actions. Honestly, I don't think there is anything that justifies killing fighter hangers (perhaps if you just CAN'T get the ord from a CV for one reason or another, but thats about the only exception IMO)
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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2010, 10:12:06 PM »




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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2010, 11:00:22 PM »
Jayhawk, your mission yesterday killed all the fighters at 3 bases (the only bases within 4 sectors) at one point or another. Maybe its the guys with you, IDK. But regardless of if YOU  do, all the hangers at A100, A96, and A92 were down (not nessicarily at all 3 at the same time) as a direct result of your actions. Honestly, I don't think there is anything that justifies killing fighter hangers (perhaps if you just CAN'T get the ord from a CV for one reason or another, but thats about the only exception IMO)

And this is just a difference we cannot reconcile.  I see fighter hangers as a viable target of strategic value worth the effort of taking out, you don't. 
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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2010, 11:10:25 PM »
Perhaps then, put a 5-6 perk on the heavies? Just SOMETHING to inhibit the massive bomber raids that will disable all the bases in a 3 sector by 2 sector area that pop up several times a tour.
Also, wouldn't mind it if you 91'st boys would hit the knits once in a while two. Lately (past 5-6 days), there has been rather little action on that part of your front (in the compello map anyway) :devil.

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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2010, 11:12:33 PM »
Jayhawk, your mission yesterday killed all the fighters at 3 bases (the only bases within 4 sectors) at one point or another. Maybe its the guys with you, IDK. But regardless of if YOU  do, all the hangers at A100, A96, and A92 were down (not nessicarily at all 3 at the same time) as a direct result of your actions. Honestly, I don't think there is anything that justifies killing fighter hangers (perhaps if you just CAN'T get the ord from a CV for one reason or another, but thats about the only exception IMO)

Hold on a sec. Hitec EXPANDED the radar coverage. Would it not give you more warning time that we are on the way to your bases. It's not like it's unannounced. ;)
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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2010, 01:53:47 AM »
They should put recoil on the gunners

Jayhawk, your mission yesterday killed all the fighters at 3 bases (the only bases within 4 sectors) at one point or another. Maybe its the guys with you, IDK. But regardless of if YOU  do, all the hangers at A100, A96, and A92 were down (not nessicarily at all 3 at the same time) as a direct result of your actions. Honestly, I don't think there is anything that justifies killing fighter hangers (perhaps if you just CAN'T get the ord from a CV for one reason or another, but thats about the only exception IMO)

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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2010, 02:06:04 AM »
Just a small tip when attacking a set of bombers- attack the drones first, makes it just a bit tougher to aim and get full concentration on you.

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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2010, 02:07:27 AM »

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This is going to be a good show.   :D

 :rofl Na, I think the show's over.
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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2010, 02:20:05 AM »
Simple solution to the multiple .50 cal problem.

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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2010, 02:37:49 AM »
It's all in the angle of attack grasshopper  :old:
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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2010, 02:42:26 AM »
Just a small tip when attacking a set of bombers- attack the drones first, makes it just a bit tougher to aim and get full concentration on you.
and always get the right side drone first.  ;)
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Re: bomber guns.....
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2010, 03:19:32 AM »
:rofl Na, I think the show's over.


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