ar234 question

[lyric1]

Its forward gun pod could tilt its guns at a slightly downward angle? 

Can't read Japanese?

[lyric1]

An AR-234 B2 handbook I found on line all German of course.
Dated December 1944.
If our German readers could tell us if there is any good information on the periscope & it's views or how to use it BZA & so forth?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99837642/Arado-Ar-234-B-2-Flugzeug-Handbuch-Teil-0-10-Ausgabe-Dezember-1944

[Lusche]

First look:

There is no mention about any rear firing MG 151/20. It could have been in part 8A (8B is about ordnance), but that part has been omitted and labeled as "not applicable)

The other interesting thing I noted was in the chapter about the Ruestsaetze - the Lotfe was only meant for Führungsflugzeuge, formation leaders.

[lyric1]

First look:

There is no mention about any rear firing MG 151/20. It could have been in part 8A (8B is about ordnance), but that part has been omitted and labeled as "not applicable) I am shocked. 

The other interesting thing I noted was in the chapter about the Ruestsaetze - the Lotfe was only meant for Führungsflugzeuge, formation leaders. Now that is interesting as a number of captured aircraft when reviewed & photographed made mention that no Lotfe was install on the bomber versions & I always was wondering why.

Thank you Lusche.

[lyric1]

May as well show all the other German documents I found on line as well.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99822250/Arado-Ar-234-B-2-Bedienungsvorschrift-Werkschrift-2234-B-2-Stand-Juli-1944

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99823056/Arado-Ar-234-B-2-D-Luft-T-2234-B-2-Fl-Bedienungs-Karte-Oktober-1944

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99839246/Arado-Ar-234-mit-R-Antrieb-1944

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99840008/Arado-Ar-234-V4-Flugbericht-des-Testpiloten-Kroger-vom-23-02-1944

[tunnelrat]

I have the solution.

Rename the aircraft AR-234-C2.

Done.

[lyric1]

While we are on actual equipment that was on AR 234's. Here is the stall horn that Chalenge made a sound file for. A friend of his who has something to do with archiving something or other for some agency or museum?
Sorry I forget where.

Anyways an actual Ar 234 stall horn & this is what it sounds like.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=momLpeBwy3Q

[Krusty]

Its forward gun pod could tilt its guns at a slightly downward angle? 

I've seen similar setups for ground strafing. I think it was probably over-engineering on the Germans' part. Use the same pod in different configurations depending on which job needed doing. Planning for multiple roles for the same pod, but may never have been used that way.

[fullmetalbullet]

Was the four engined 234s used in the war? or were they testbed/prototypes?

[lyric1]

Was the four engined 234s used in the war? or were they testbed/prototypes?

The first two with four engines were prototypes with the model A designation that was V6 & V8 they also had the dolly & skid undercarriage. Then came V13 on the B model. When the C model came into production all of that designation had four engines.

A number of these C models were also V types or prototypes.
Arado did have the C model up & running & a number were delivered to bases & were preparing to form squadrons when the war ended.
Long story short no four engine production AR 234 was ever was used in combat that is known.

[lyric1]

Off topic a little but it is interesting what you can find on EBAY.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/230902084759?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390529906574?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250888201921?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-Luftwaffe-Jumo-004-Turbo-Jet-Fan-Blade-2-Me262-Ar234-/390590897769?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5af1081e69

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-Vorratsanzeiger-Fuel-Fl-20723-Ar234-RARE-/251026635872?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a725a7c60

[nrshida]

Only a few more parts needed and you could build a new one 

[Rich46yo]

Can I ask a quick question regarding these German jets? Were their engine reliability issues due more to design issues of early model jets or were they more due to the problem the Germans were having getting the proper metallurgy imported and produced? I know both were issues but which caused more problems?

[Mister Fork]

Can I ask a quick question regarding these German jets? Were their engine reliability issues due more to design issues of early model jets or were they more due to the problem the Germans were having getting the proper metallurgy imported and produced? I know both were issues but which caused more problems?

Both were causing issues. Ability to properly forge - ability to source quality raw materials - consistently damaged facilities - hidden factories built into mountains without sufficient lighting and manufacturing controls and processes and the list goes on and on...and they were truly the first engines and were VERY complicated and they were working out consistent assembly and fine tuning manufacturing processes.   Throw in end-of-war and loosing badly stress, you have wobbly-made planes.

So to answer your question, neither were singly responsible more so than the other.  Throw in poor quality fuel - and you have yourself engine problem at the end of WWII for the luftwobbles.

[morfiend]

  Lets not forget the sabotage that was happening!

 I was reading up on the 163 and they had a unit delivered that they found had sand in the rocket engine!

  Cables were cut,bolts not tightened suficiently and numerous other things all added into the problems of lack of materials and or proper facilities.