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Offline lulu

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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #465 on: March 06, 2011, 04:47:49 PM »
Hey, let be a pilot.

Let dive down on them as we bish did at A1 yesterday and ask your sissy-fellows to defend their field.

Perhaps you are too lazy to defend your field or you look to much at score points.


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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #466 on: March 06, 2011, 05:10:03 PM »
"and were able to up with 51D's with ords and freely move about the map"

Another  :cry  about perk system? From a ki84 or nik high alt monkey?

For me, for example, is quite booring to climb to fight rooks and knight who 'come from the stars'.

But i do equally.

We bish attacked 37 and 38 today. No one knight were seriously spotted.

They were probably all busy to show their skills against some new players.

You know my feelings about knights and rooks ...    :rofl

HTC I will suggest that a possible solution is to add something as in my new v1 wish but I will not do this time.

I can figure how much your balls could be in a rotating state about hordes or not hordes.


From another point of view eh eh knights and rooks find a lot of resistance when they want to take some bish field more then they develop when we attack their fields.

They are invidious    :rofl    :rofl    :rofl



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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #467 on: March 06, 2011, 05:21:28 PM »
Dads that mission had to have gotten airborne prior to the eny hit.
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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #468 on: March 06, 2011, 05:21:41 PM »
He said, "Rotating State"!!!! :rofl :rofl
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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #469 on: March 06, 2011, 05:43:44 PM »
The thing about hordes is.... There isn't anyone worth fighting in there anyway.
People always talk about flying to a planes strength, well the horde is the same, making up for a weakness (skill) with a strength (numbers). Let them clap themselves on the back and wtg each other for another epic capture, safe in the knowledge that while 50 of them raced each other for one or two vulches, truly great fights were happening elsewhere.

I agree with this completely. While it does bother me that this goes on more and more over the last year or so, it makes me even more angry that those within the HORDE will then as u said pat themselves on the back and light up 200 trash talkin. My biggest - to AH is having to avoid the BnZ by 10 guys at once...pathetic  :aok
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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #470 on: March 06, 2011, 06:11:20 PM »
In my experience rooks and knight horde are always driven by so-called skilled pilots.

They are in first place to gang bang poor alone pilots.

Common excuse is: rest of my squad.

Your squad? My balls !

If you skilled tell to rest to stay a part !

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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #471 on: March 06, 2011, 06:15:00 PM »
Your squad? My balls !


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I have no idea where your going but I am getting a good laugh......  :rofl


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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #472 on: March 06, 2011, 06:18:06 PM »
:headscratch:

I have no idea where your going but I am getting a good laugh......  :rofl

Apparently he's aproaching the infamous "Rotating state"!!
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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #473 on: March 06, 2011, 06:35:00 PM »
I think you need to realize there are different types of "win" for various players.

base take = win
surviving a many vs 1 dog fight = win
good spawn camp = win
killing hq = win
resetting map = win
adrenaline pumping acm based 1v1 dogfight with multiple reversals = win
killing a horde's first goon = win
shooting planes with a 5" = win
dropping bombs on gv's = win
killing vulchers with an ostie = win
suiciding oneself on a radar or ords = win
great wingman tactics to take 2 vs many and kill them all = win

etc. etc.


Ok thanks for proving our point...  You want us to play for the win the way you want ignore the way we want to.  It's our $15 and I'm tired of you people hating us just cause we don't play how you want.  I'm glad we don't.  I'd be bored and just leave your squad.  If you can't handle our missions then go fight the Knights/Rooks whichever is your 2nd enemy.  Should be pretty lonely since no one else in this arena does that...
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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #474 on: March 06, 2011, 07:05:15 PM »
Silly me. Why in the world should I be suprized about Nits and Rooks horde whine in here, when we hear so much of it in the MA.  
EVERY SIDE HORDES! The only difference I see is that the bish don't whine about it when it's their turn in the barrel.
Then again we do notice (whine about) the all too often rook/nit truce.
Can't recall alot of trash talking on 200 from bish when we are base taking. When it happens it's usually in response. When we are rolling, we don't have the time or inclination to waste the key strokes.
Every month, half my deaths come from defending bases against "hordes". If you guys had less score mongers who were willing to fight against steep odds, perhaps you wouldn't loose so many bases.
Nits put up a great defense the other week at A1 on the Mindano map (and dadsguns was so pleased with himself I believe he wet)
The other night the rooks had ~120 to 80 advantage, and were rolling our flank, and nits were chipping away on the other side.  Some bish were lamenting it (on country channel) but most of us understood it's going to happen, and the best you can do in those circumstances is hold as best you can.

Now if only we could get those heavy bomber squads to better coordinate with us on base taking instead seeing how many different bases they can hit on 1 continuous mission... Then I would allow your whine
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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #475 on: March 06, 2011, 07:18:19 PM »
HiTech, this 40 player difference is a huge advantage in an of itself let alone the little impact eny really has, I request that eny be reviewed or adjusted and reconsidered to be more stringent in cases like this or eliminated altogether and having arena caps in place.  
So now we get punished because people like to fly with us and your country mates got bored and are watching
I suppose if we horded you with P39-D's you sit there are whine about eny still...
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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #476 on: March 06, 2011, 07:44:34 PM »
So now we get punished because people like to fly with us and your country mates got bored and are watching
I suppose if we horded you with P39-D's you sit there are whine about eny still...

Punished?  No.
 
If your side had as many as my side and you horded us there would be no discussion, but if your side had 40 more than we did and you brought all 40 with you than yes I would have a problem.  

More often than not lately that has been the case, well ok maybe only 37 more.....  :lol

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« Last Edit: March 06, 2011, 08:17:57 PM by Dadsguns »


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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #477 on: March 06, 2011, 07:57:22 PM »
So now we get punished because people like to fly with us and your country mates got bored and are watching
I suppose if we horded you with P39-D's you sit there are whine about eny still...
That's probably the kind of subtlety that's lost in discussions on this topic.  The point isn't that you're ultimately winning but that there's no fighting involved in the process. 

Why not pick just the right dose, like counter balancing overwhelming numbers with lesser planes like the 39, or diverting your attacks to a number of bases so that each base isn't just nuked without any contest but actually fought over even if you never really risk a total blunder?  There's no such precision to the proportions, but the point is to make it more like 30-40% chance of defeat instead of 5-10%.

The problem really is finding the right dose.  A furballer/dogfighter analogy:  you go to the DA with someone like Bighorn.  Would you keep coming for more, or say it's worth your 15$, if every single time he kills you within one or two reverses after merge?  Or if he just goes limp and lets you kill him?  Or if he always tries to make the fight challenging no matter how long it lasts, even if a few of them end after less than a minute?  In which one are you most getting your money's worth?  Effectively no one is gonna seriously say the last one is best.

An organized strike force that's dropping and capping bases with each breath is only fair play if the opposition is equally organized.  This is a game, not war.  Sitting in the tower watching bombs drop and frontlines move across the map like seconds on a clock, flying long escort missions where you and a dozen other escort fighters see at most 1 bogie, that's not what the game was made for.   You don't pay pay-per-view to see a string of fights where each one ends not even halfway into round 1.  The cut to commercials and color commentary before after and between fights is all filler, and that's what sitting in the tower or having to turn tail because you don't stand a chance of lasting more than 10sec after merge amounts to.

The same way the game isn't about pushing cockpit buttons and minding flashing lights or fiddling with slide rules, but about the actual air combat.  What's the reward in steam rolling a map while avoiding any combat or contest from the opposition?  A handful of perk points and changing colors on the clipboard, and an opposition that either evacuates your target territory, or logs off. 

That said, as soon as I realized this myself, I never tried to lead strategic missions again, because reading the other country's level of organization was way too dodgy.  It was basically up to chance whether there'd be overwhelming defense, a good fight, or nobody home.  What's for sure is that no one will have a leg to stand on if they're griping about that middle scenario.  If the game was only about strategic combat, it wouldn't need physics or pilots. More like RTS or sports team manager games.

You guys have the strategic side down pat and that's fine.  But you can't expect not to have a big chunk of the players against you if you remove all tactical gameplay.  Tactics are the bread and butter of the game.
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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #478 on: March 06, 2011, 08:53:39 PM »
Nice Moot. You might think I wrote that  :noid

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Re: Is this what Hitech wants?
« Reply #479 on: March 06, 2011, 09:18:26 PM »
I agree with Scott on the channel 200 crap and I'll throw in tactless PMs as well.

Aside from that this is an open ended game with many ways to play.
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