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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #165 on: March 12, 2011, 05:45:42 AM »
Phones are down because underwater telephone cables were severed in the quake. Misawa is fine.

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« Reply #166 on: March 12, 2011, 05:46:28 AM »
actual pic of the area around Fukushima:



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« Reply #167 on: March 12, 2011, 05:48:26 AM »
I also personally know a few workers who have been to Chernobyl to help with the containment of the failed reactor.  I also know a few who have worked at the still running Chernobyl power plant.  What is your connection to that facility?

Are you Boroda? He was spewing crap like that too.

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« Reply #168 on: March 12, 2011, 05:49:37 AM »
actual pic of the reactor:

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The reactor is not visible in that photograph, nor is there any visual of the containment building and if it has failed. 
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« Reply #169 on: March 12, 2011, 05:51:41 AM »
Seawater is now being pumped in to cool the reactor. They are not trying to save the reactor so they are not worried about corrosion. There will be plenty of time to clean up, but the safety of people in the area, and bringing the temperature down and stable is the priority.

This was a once in a millennium event. I am quite satisfied that the containment and reactor are intact after one of the strongest swarms of quakes in recorded history.

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« Reply #170 on: March 12, 2011, 05:53:08 AM »
The reactor is not visible in that photograph, nor is there any visual of the containment building and if it has failed. 

If Japanese officials admit radiation has leaked and warhed is adament that it hasn't which should we believe? Hmm..

According to associated press the core is melting and radiation is leaking. The roof of the reactor building was collapsed in the explosion.
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« Reply #171 on: March 12, 2011, 05:55:47 AM »
Ok, you are a certified case :D So you say that having working proof that nobody died in conditions where there were no accidents means everything is ok? LOL!

Japan has had several nuclear plant accidents causing deaths prior to this:

 January 1981: Four radioactive leaks in Tsuruga palnt. 278 exposed to harmful levels of radiation.

 March 1997: Tokaimura uranium treatment plant has a fire that leads to an explosion. 37 exposed to harmful levels of radiation.

 November 1999: Tokaimura has an incident through gross negligence killing two workers. Over 600 people are exposed and  320 000 people from the surrounding area are commanded to stay indoors for the next day.

 August 2004: Non-radioactive leak kills four and injures seven at Mihama plant.

 July 2007: Worlds largest nuclear plant, Kashiwazaki-Kariwa, suffers damage at 6,8 richter quake. Radioactive leak to the sea. Repairs last untill 2010.

Not one single fatal dose in your examples.  Here's one for ya, 28 people died of acute radiation poisoning at Chernonbyl.  And around 4,000 may be at risk for fatal cancers.  My source?  A forum made up of the UN, IAEA, World Bank, WHO, and various governments.  

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Trying to stay on topic, Chernobyl was a non nuclear explosion, much like the explosion in Japan.  However, lacking a containment building, the explosion caused nuclear material to be spread over a large distance.  The plant in Japan is a GE design, most likely very similar to many of the plants in the U.S.  They have containment domes that serve the purpose of containing any sort of problem with the reactor.  Even in the event of a meltdown, the reactor can be destroyed, and the containment building will prevent a large release of radiation.
If a meltdown does, or has occurred, the fuel will melt, burning through the reactor vessel.  It will burn itself down through the building, and possibly into the ground.  There will be no nuclear explosion in a meltdown.  
At Three Mile Island, the fuel acted much like lava, it cooled at the outer edges of the flow, and sealed itself off.  
As long as a secondary explosion does not occur, and the containment building does not fail, there will not be a release of contamination from the reactor.
 
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« Reply #172 on: March 12, 2011, 05:59:38 AM »
warhead there are talks going on about if it burns into the ground, this could lead to contaminated ground-water?? that doesent sound good...
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« Reply #173 on: March 12, 2011, 06:07:35 AM »
warhead there are talks going on about if it burns into the ground, this could lead to contaminated ground-water?? that doesent sound good...

The contaminated ground water is the least of the problems if that happens. If the melted core gets contact with cold water there will be a massive explosion which was prevented in Chernobyl.
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« Reply #174 on: March 12, 2011, 06:10:50 AM »
warhead there are talks going on about if it burns into the ground, this could lead to contaminated ground-water?? that doesent sound good...

That was also a fear at Three Mile Island, however, the fuel basically sealed itself off before that happened.
I'm not familiar with the design at the Japanese plant, so I'm not sure what their situation would be.
If the fuel managed to burn through the reactor, and then through the containment building, and the foundation underneath it, ground water contamination would be a possibility however remote.
Because these things never happen, it is practically impossible to predict what will occur after a meltdown.
There will not be an explosion in the case of a meltdown however. 
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« Reply #175 on: March 12, 2011, 06:14:24 AM »
The contaminated ground water is the least of the problems if that happens. If the melted core gets contact with cold water there will be a massive explosion which was prevented in Chernobyl.

Wrong.
The explosion at Chernobyl was caused when graphite components were exposed to air.  That caused an explosion, which carried contamination along with it. 
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« Reply #176 on: March 12, 2011, 06:18:57 AM »
Not one single fatal dose in your examples.  Here's one for ya, 28 people died of acute radiation poisoning at Chernonbyl.  And around 4,000 may be at risk for fatal cancers.  My source?  A forum made up of the UN, IAEA, World Bank, WHO, and various governments.  

Those 28 were indeed acute which means they were literally radiated to death on site. The true danger comes from radioactive particles that end up in the food chain. The funny thing with those is that they slowly kill you through cancers but cannot be proved to be caused directly by the accident.

The Russians doctored the health statistics in a true Russian coverup (tm) fashion to hide the real consequences. That and a multi-billion dollar business keeps things understated.
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« Reply #177 on: March 12, 2011, 06:22:53 AM »
Wrong.
The explosion at Chernobyl was caused when graphite components were exposed to air.  That caused an explosion, which carried contamination along with it. 

Are you retarded? I said the thermal explosion was prevented in Chernobyl through the sacrifice of the lives of the cleanup team. Graphite did explode yes but if the melted core would have reached ground water the resulting thermal explosion was estimated to increase the immediate blast effect by 100 times.
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« Reply #178 on: March 12, 2011, 06:31:05 AM »
Those 28 were indeed acute which means they were literally radiated to death on site. The true danger comes from radioactive particles that end up in the food chain. The funny thing with those is that they slowly kill you through cancers but cannot be proved to be caused directly by the accident.

The Russians doctored the health statistics in a true Russian coverup (tm) fashion to hide the real consequences. That and a multi-billion dollar business keeps things understated.

Russia was only one of the very few involved in the forum in the investigation.  
The cancers thought to be attributed to the accident, show no higher rates of nearby populations not exposed to the radiation.
Nuclear power plants in normal operation do not expose anyone living nearby to increased radiation doses.  Even the workers are only slightly above background radiation levels.
The last independent study I read showed evidence that workers at nuclear power plants actually had lower cases of cancer, one study linked that chronic doses of radiation actually preventing cancers.

I understand that you hate nuclear power, I have been in many of situations in my life with people who think the way you do.  Japan receives 1\3 of their energy from nuclear power.  Other than coal, there is just no feasible replacement for that.  Unlike coal power, nuclear power releases no greenhouse gases, releases no harmful substances into the environment.  The mining of nuclear fuel is also a much smaller impact to the environment.  A typical fuel rod in a reactor lasts for 6 years.  Compare the deaths and injuries and accidents that have happened due to nuclear power, to Coal or Natural Gas power, and you will understand why nuclear power is the safest form of energy that can provide the supply for modern civilization's demand.

Unfortunately, this accident has proven that sometimes, Mother Nature just cannot be prevented from destruction.

If an asteroid struck a nuclear power plant, would you still blame the plant for causing damage?
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #179 on: March 12, 2011, 06:35:26 AM »
If an asteroid struck a nuclear power plant, would you still blame the plant for causing damage?

at least If an asteroid hits a gas or coal power, there would be no danger of radiation, so
the real question is, is this all worth the risk?
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