a sad, sad day

[HB555]

Not worth the ink or not worth the embarrassment?  Tell it like it is smart ass. Wise choice not sticking your neck out there.

 

Ink. The embarrassment is all yours. Watch your mouth.

[Messiah]

Any sane person in the world would do anything they could to avoid going into the crowd. As a matter of fact anyone's first reaction would be to pull out of that dive for self preservation. Either way, what he did was not heroic, it was his obligation.

As a matter of fact, his judgement shows a decidedly opposite personality. He was 80 frkn years old and should not have been flying over crowds of people. If he has the money and wants to push his limits, there are millions of places in the world to get his kicks without putting others at danger but he apparently chose to selfishly participate in a sport that all conventional wisdom says he is too old for at the risk of the people he just killed.

Hero? No! Geriatric glory hound, yes!

Given the obvious evidence of mechanical failure, you're disgusting.

[Ron]

Muzik,

You're an idiot. Period...!

[B4Buster]

Given the obvious evidence of mechanical failure, you're disgusting.

+1

[saggs]

Muzik,

That 74 year old had to pass the same medical exam every year as a 17 yr old  to continue flying.  Why should he be denied based only on his age and no medical facts?  Bob Hannah was 41 in 1998 when he lost conscientiousness in Voodoo Chili from the same mechanical failure, link  was he too old as well?    Even ATP pilots are allowed to fly till they are 65.

As for Jimmy pulling to avoid the grandstand, it's a nice feel good story, but all of the evidence so far suggests we was in G-LOC and slumped over the stick.

RIP  

[grizz441]

Any sane person in the world would do anything they could to avoid going into the crowd. As a matter of fact anyone's first reaction would be to pull out of that dive for self preservation. Either way, what he did was not heroic, it was his obligation.

As a matter of fact, his judgement shows a decidedly opposite personality. He was 80 frkn years old and should not have been flying over crowds of people. If he has the money and wants to push his limits, there are millions of places in the world to get his kicks without putting others at danger but he apparently chose to selfishly participate in a sport that all conventional wisdom says he is too old for at the risk of the people he just killed.

Hero? No! Geriatric glory hound, yes!

 

[infowars]

Any sane person in the world would do anything they could to avoid going into the crowd. As a matter of fact anyone's first reaction would be to pull out of that dive for self preservation. Either way, what he did was not heroic, it was his obligation.

As a matter of fact, his judgement shows a decidedly opposite personality. He was 80 frkn years old and should not have been flying over crowds of people. If he has the money and wants to push his limits, there are millions of places in the world to get his kicks without putting others at danger but he apparently chose to selfishly participate in a sport that all conventional wisdom says he is too old for at the risk of the people he just killed.

Hero? No! Geriatric glory hound, yes!

I have to kinda agree...  70+ year old people should not be pulling Gs near crowds.

[saggs]

I have to kinda agree...  70+ year old people should not be pulling Gs near crowds.

I don't think you understand the situation.  His age has NO RELEVANCE whatsoever to this accident, it was a mechanical failure, leading to 10+ Gs and unconsciousness.   As I already pointed out this guy at 41 suffered G-LOC and didn't wake up till he was at 9,000 ft from the same failure.  If you where in his seat you'd have been out like a light as well.  I'd wager that Jimmy at 74 was in a lot better shape then many pilots are at 40, 50 or 60.

On what ground would you deny him the opportunity to fly?  What medical condition does he have that would preclude it?  I'll tell you what, NONE.  Because if he did, he would not have passed his last medical and his license would be yanked.

[FiLtH]

  I think the risk lies in the attendance of the event, not the age of the pilot. You have a few tons of aircraft flying over your head , racing, and stuff happens. If you choose a ringside seat, you take the risk and are saying I want to be here.

[BigB]

As hard is it is to refrain from commenting on the people who have judged this man's motives, intentions
and character without so much as ever meeting, much less knowing him... I will do so...

I will say this. I grew-up and still live in the same town Jimmy Leeward called home. I have had the
occasion to meet both he and his wife Bette several times. Mr. Leeward was an outstanding pilot who
gave alot to this community. He held safety in the highest reguard and nothing other than a pure mechanical
failure caused this tragedy.

As concious as I knew he was about safety and knowing that this tragedy cost the lives of several others,
it can be only literally ripping the heart of of those he left behind. The worst thing that he could have ever wanted to
happen and worked so hard to avoid...... did....

Fair skies Mr. Leeward... May your family and the ones of those hurt or killed in this accident find peace one day
and may those that judge you find forgiveness...

<S>...

 

[HB555]

Very elequantly said, BigB. 

[FireDrgn]

Any sane person in the world would do anything they could to avoid going into the crowd. As a matter of fact anyone's first reaction would be to pull out of that dive for self preservation. Either way, what he did was not heroic, it was his obligation.

As a matter of fact, his judgement shows a decidedly opposite personality. He was 80 frkn years old and should not have been flying over crowds of people. If he has the money and wants to push his limits, there are millions of places in the world to get his kicks without putting others at danger but he apparently chose to selfishly participate in a sport that all conventional wisdom says he is too old for at the risk of the people he just killed.

Hero? No! Geriatric glory hound, yes!

"As a matter of fact anyone's first reaction would be to pull out of that dive for self preservation".       This is known to be false.    AS with your other false conclusions you are using logical fallacies called a false dichotomy. All i have to do is remove myself from your conclusion. "My first reaction would be to save others lives even if it cost my own."         While others may wish to save them selves from the ban hammer or think your not worth  a reply.  I sir stand to challenge your logical fallacies and YOUR saneness.

I stand ready!!!!

[Dichotomy]

As hard is it is to refrain from commenting on the people who have judged this man's motives, intentions
and character without so much as ever meeting, much less knowing him... I will do so...

I will say this. I grew-up and still live in the same town Jimmy Leeward called home. I have had the
occasion to meet both he and his wife Bette several times. Mr. Leeward was an outstanding pilot who
gave alot to this community. He held safety in the highest reguard and nothing other than a pure mechanical
failure caused this tragedy.

As concious as I knew he was about safety and knowing that this tragedy cost the lives of several others,
it can be only literally ripping the heart of of those he left behind. The worst thing that he could have ever wanted to
happen and worked so hard to avoid...... did....

Fair skies Mr. Leeward... May your family and the ones of those hurt or killed in this accident find peace one day
and may those that judge you find forgiveness...

<S>...

 

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If you can't say something nice shut up.  It's not that hard NOT to type.

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[crockett]

I don't think you understand the situation.  His age has NO RELEVANCE whatsoever to this accident, it was a mechanical failure, leading to 10+ Gs and unconsciousness.   

Considering that no report for the accident has been filed yet, how can you be so sure that age played no role in it? It was likely mechanical failure as has been speculated due to the video & photo evidence but pilot error is the leading cause of most aircraft crashes and until the accident report has an official stamp on it no one can officially say yey, ney or maybe.

Simple fact is age is certainly an issue in most professional sports auto sports. There is a reason we don't see 70 year old guys driving F-1 cars or in NASCAR, because regardless of pilot capabilities the human body at 70 is not what it was at 20. I'm sure the guy was very fit and quite capable of a pilot, but it's also very reasonable to question age in this and certainly the official investigators will be looking into that as well.

Until the report is filed, claiming age was an issue is just as silly as claiming it wasn't.

[Stoney]

  I think the risk lies in the attendance of the event, not the age of the pilot. You have a few tons of aircraft flying over your head , racing, and stuff happens. If you choose a ringside seat, you take the risk and are saying I want to be here.

Normally, there is no risk to sitting in those seats at the races, as they are 500 yards offset from the front stretch of the course.  Matter of fact, the runway that runs parallel to the stands is the boundary of the course. Pilots aren't allowed to cross it.  This was a freak accident that couldn't have been anticipated.  No more dangerous than watching the Blues or Thunderbirds...