109 g6 vs g2

[Debrody]

I was dueling with a squaddie today. First in g2s later in g6s, then in g2s again.
I noticed that the g6 "feels" more nose-heavy, does the ultra-low speed snaprolls and the torque rolls more easily, at least as i feel it.
Why is that?  Is our g6 modelled with the larger rudder of the later versions?

109 experts, help me out plz
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[PFactorDave]

Doesn't have larger MGs in the nose?  An higher caliber MG ammo on top of it.  That would add some weight to the nose.

[gyrene81]

i don't know dave, looking at the weight differential between the 13mm mg-131 machine guns (37lbs each) and the 7.9mm mg-17 machine guns (22.4lbs each).

600 rounds of 13mm ap weighed about ~52lbs and 1000 rounds of 7.92mm weighed about ~78lbs.

~126lbs for the mg-131 and ~123lbs for the mg-17 fully loaded.

[Debrody]

So the extra weight mostly comes from the improved canopy/armor, radio equipment?
The difference is only 106lbs tho, zirka 46kg. Just interesting, found the heavier model more controllable near the stall.

[JunkyII]

The G6 definately feels like a smoother platform

[Ardy123]

I personally feel the g2 is the 'better' 109 in terms of flying performance. Its more balanced and does everything better than the g6 except for its guns.

[gyrene81]

oddly for me, the g2 feels like it handles turns better than the g6 and its a bit better at recovering speed.

[Ardy123]

oddly for me, the g2 feels like it handles turns better than the g6 and its a bit better at recovering speed.

its not odd, its correct.

[IrishOne]

I personally feel the g2 is the 'better' 109 in terms of flying performance. Its more balanced and does everything better than the g6 except for its guns.

i agree with this.   i think the G6 is a more stable platform (just me) but i think the G2 is the better performer

[Debrody]

Bunny, i did some sustained turn tests. With fuel for 20 mins, the g2 does a circle on the deck in 18.0 seconds while in the g6 it lasts 18.3. You are right, its faster, climbs and turns better.
Or it is just me, not fammiliar to the g2s handling characteristics and kept stalling out? But Slimmer had the same experience too... 

[Ardy123]

Bunny, i did some sustained turn tests. With fuel for 20 mins, the g2 does a circle on the deck in 18.0 seconds while in the g6 it lasts 18.3. You are right, its faster, climbs and turns better.
Or it is just me, not fammiliar to the g2s handling characteristics and kept stalling out? But Slimmer had the same experience too... 

yeah that sounds about right, the turn radius is smaller with the 109 g2 too.

[PFactorDave]

So the extra weight mostly comes from the improved canopy/armor, radio equipment?
The difference is only 106lbs tho, zirka 46kg. Just interesting, found the heavier model more controllable near the stall.

I wouldn't think the canopy/armor and radio equipment would make the plane feel more nose heavy.  The canopy is pretty close to the CG point I believe, and wouldn't the radio equipment be aft of the CG?

[Debrody]

I wouldn't think the canopy/armor and radio equipment would make the plane feel more nose heavy.  The canopy is pretty close to the CG point I believe, and wouldn't the radio equipment be aft of the CG?

Exactly, this is the dilemma.

[Guppy35]

As a 38G driver I'll tell you I much prefer to run into a G6 before a G2.  At least to me the G2 seems to be the better turner, in particular when the fight gets real slow.

That being said, on the rare occasions I fly a 109 and it's not an Emil, I take the G6.

[Ardy123]

That being said, on the rare occasions I fly a 109 and it's not an Emil, I take the G6.

huh? the Emil is the 109 E-4 not the 109 G-2