Where has the AH Luftwaffe gone?

[Drano]

<shrug> can't imagine myself flyin anything other than a 109. Although I admit to flyin a P-51 on attack missions.

Maybe its just the time of year. Summertime is a bit busy for me. Folks on vacation etc. Might explain some of it. It usually cycles back in the fall.

                   Drano

[Thunder]

I have been spending a lot of time in the Training arena. ArtLaws spent some time with me in the 109 which I had almost no experience in. I have flown the 109G2 for the last 2 Tours on non-squad nights and have really been having fun. Even though I chose to be in a P-47 squadron and I feel that I am MUCH better in other rides. I fly in my squadron because I like and respect the guys I fly with. I enjoy the JUG too but not because its a superior plane but for me it is a chalenge to learn to win in it. I do enjoy learning how to fly EVERY plane in Aces High and understanding there strength and weaknesses. I plan to start learning the German Aircraft and flying them in the next Rumble for the Axis. For no other reason then I want to enjoy flying all the planes, learn new things, meet new freinds and simply to have FUN.  

Salute

Thunder

[AKDejaVu]

The first two to reply on this thread haven't come with any meaningful answer rather than squeaking. Being themselves again, I cannot blame them.

Ummmm... I did no squeaking in my post.  The question itself is allienating.  Why should we treat LW pilots any different than anyone else?  What makes anyone think more or less LW pilots are leaving than anyone else?  Why do we need kid gloves for one group of pilots?

Attempting to come up with a meaningful answer to these type of questions is ludicrous.

All we can do is apply our observations to other people's decisions.  All answers will be skewed by perspective and... here's the kicker... all answers will be wrong.

People leave for many reasons.  To feel that those quiting can accurately explain why they quit is somewhat unreasonable.  To feel that others can do it is actually quite funny.

So... my observations:

A group of people tried to achieve a tad bit more historical accuracy by congregating in one country.  Frustration seemed to prevail as few others were concerned with bringing the same level of historical accuracy to the MA.  People responded to this in different ways.  That's it.

Now.. to call that meaningfull is a stretch.  To think anyone else's answer is more or less accurate is a stretch.

AKDejaVu

[Swager]

I can only comment on JG2.  Many of us just had real life issues to take care of. Guys like myself, Sour, Daniko, Gustav, Yiptoad, BigJoe, Ash (to name a few) have our real lives and at times it is hard to juggle between the two. JG2 had some that went to WWIIOL. JG2 is still alive with Minus, Major Tom, Gium, Deluxe and a few others.

I mainly flew German planes and I have no gripes about them as an airframe, but then again I was not good enough to know if the planes FM was correct or not. I just saddled up and hit the "E" key. I played AH for what it was, a simulation used for FUN.

My most fondest times were flying with JG2 as a group and I can honestly say we used the German aircraft well and always seemed to cause disruption amoung the enemy a few times.  

I should be joining AH again shortly and will want to be part of a squad.  Maybe back to JG2?  I don't know, depends on the numbers.  I do enjoy flying with a group of people.  I had loads of fun flying with the 303.  They always welcomed me.  Seems I flew with them once a week.  

But please do not label all pilots of German squadron as 'whiners" or people who need to be shown the light.  I've been seeing the light for a long time and it always seemed pretty bright to me.  

This simulations is what you make it.  If it isn't exactly what you are looking for and you still choose to participate, then ya need to adjust.  Adjust to what the plane's FM is, not what you want it to be, or what you think it should be.

Swager's #1 rule in flying Aces High:

"Check your damn ego in at the coatroom!"

Have a Nice Day!  

[Dowding]

I don't see the whole LW contingent as a bunch of whiners.

Just a few very vocal individuals.

And BTW, I hope santa leaves - he's nothing but an uncouth Dane with yearnings to rekindle ancient Viking desires. These involve crossing the North Sea and molesting innocent English sheep.

He also likes leather far too much to be healthy, the dirty swine.  

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Fishu:
My opinion would be: the game got boring, since nothing new was around than quake on wings.

And of course that would be their own fault, we have Check sixes and Snap shots, not tot mention the Big scenarios...

[Urchin]

Yea, I don't think we are seeing any less of the 109s or 190s, we are just seeing less of the "Old Guard" flying them.  The planes are still flying, they just have fresh new faces in them (like mine   ).  As a side note.. I do "whine" sometimes about the state of the German planes, and it is just a personal foible of mine.  Look at it like it is a Gunman impression and ignore me for a bit.  I really do think that the German planes can be very nice rides, provided you keep your strengths and weaknesses in mind, along with those of the plane you are flying against.

[Ripsnort]

Swager, I've been flying the G10 alot lately, brings back memories of JG2 (and the fact that the G10 *should* be perked!~ thats for you Santa, last 4 weeks flying it sporadically I'm 27-2, all ATA kills,no Fulches)...feel free to give us a jingle, you can still fly your LW stuff in our squad, I do!.  

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[Seeker]

Groinhurts, you both exhibit and exemplyfy a problem.

Role playing Nutters.

I see more and more German planes all the time, as more and more people move onto, in their own time, from the famous and familiar such as the Spitfire and Mustang to the more demanding aircraft such as the 109 and the excellent Fockwulf as their skill sets improve and they look to broaden their horizons.

But this is not Luftwaffe is it? These are just people for whom the plane is a tool to further their aim of gaining a kill, not people for whom plane choice is a significant descision having meaning over and above the job in hand, spreading in all areas of you and your ilk's "AH life". From pouting your collective way through technical threads with petty, minor grievences despite a plethora of calls to "put up or shut up", to squeaking about scenario design choices and onto the unforgivable sniping after the Rumble. The Luftwaffe lost because their pilots weren't "real Luftwaffe"? You mean, they weren't actualy German, or that they hadn't actualy sworn the Oath of Alliegence? Where do you people get off?

The very fact you ask "where are the Luftwaffe" instead of "How many fly German planes" speaks for it's self.

 In fact, if enough of 'em go, I'd be tempted to try a butcher bird myself; once the risk of being mistaken for Luftwaffe was gone.

So the Luftwaffe are leaving. Good. I'm quite shocked any sim would want such a bunch of persistantly whining, detail obsessed piss-poor sports men.

Hopefully, that'll leave the virtual skies free for fliers who appreciate fine machines for what they are, and leave their jackboots on the ground.

<Waves to Drano, Shane, Mitsu and numerous others who consistantly prove just how dam good german iron is>

[funkedup]

Funny thing is that nobody asks "Where has the AH RAF gone?" because there has never been much RAF in AH.  There are guys who fly Spitfires and Typhoons or Tempests, but historical RAF squads have found little footing here.  

Why?  Guys who have a fetish for a particular air force are probably never going to be happy in a game like AH which attempts to treat the airplanes of all air forces equally.  

That's why they make boxed sims which specialize in one air force or airplane.  The guys who have read all the books and seen all the movies about how "their" planes or pilots are "the best" can play a game designed to match their fantasy.  

AH is not that kind of game.  And I don't think HTC should go out of their way to attract that type of player.

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[brady]

Personaly I prefer the Hawk 75 to the 109 in WW2, I find it suits my flying style much better, I like to turn fight and It works for me

  I am in a Luftwaffe squad but I rarely fly Luftwaffe plane's, Not because they are not my favorate historicaly (they are) it is Just that they are not turn fighters, I fly the Zero, the yak and the 205, the 109f and the george on ocation, the non nationality type of areana we have makes this eneavatable certain planes will always be flown more often because they simply domanate the areana, this is this shortcoming of such an areana, I would rathger see countries pited aganst countries like in FA But with all that AH has to offer elswise.


 

[GRUNHERZ]

Let me ask you seeker why did you post like that in such an agressive and insulting way?  Groinhurts?? What does that accomplish?

As for "role playing nutters"

Are the Members of 56FG, Raf 308 Polish, and the large number of dedicated and historic Allied squads deserving of such a colorful title?

Please dont post or stop posting in this thread if you intend to be an insulting smart-ass jerk. I intend this to be a serious thread to discuss a real issue.

SW put it well the 9 or 10 LW planes together have some 9400 kills, the Spit9 and Niki have 7,500 and 10,000 each. NO THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT SO DONT EVEN GO THERE! But it serves well to illustrate my point and my concern.

So please go away from this thread if you mean to make fun of people and be insulting!

[Nifty]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
SW put it well the 9 or 10 LW planes together have some 9400 kills, the Spit9 and Niki have 7,500 and 10,000 each. NO THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT SO DONT EVEN GO THERE! But it serves well to illustrate my point and my concern.

How many kills have the German fighters been pulling in previous tours?  Comparing the German fighter numbers to the Spit IX and N1K2 numbers doesn't support your argument or concern at all.  Compare the 109 and 190 numbers from this tour (multiply by 2 to get an extrapolation) to those from Tour 17, 16, 15, etc.  If you see a significant decline in numbers through the current tour, then your concerns will have a concrete number to go on (though numbers can be viewed subjectively.)

[Baddawg]

GRUNHERZ


 

Why are LW leaving, what is driving them away?

Ach Der Lieber Mein Wookie is Kaput! j/k  

Is it the Luftwaffe in general or is it fans of Luftwaffe planes.
 

 From the amount of people I see in the game  as opposed to the amount of people I see who post here, the only thing I can surmise is that there is a  vocal minority.

The current design of the Main Arena does not lend itself  to specializing in one  countrys plane set. (IMO)

So fans of Luftwaffe planes (myself included)
are really not to much at odds with flying a luftwaffe plane.

However I can see that anyone who wishes to be " A Luftwaffe only" and employing strictly Luftwaffe planes and tactics and expecting similar style from others in the Main arena to comply with this type of game play  MIGHT arrive at a degree of frustration.  Causing them to find a better medium to exercise their style of game play.

The Main Arena is a highly competitive and unique environment. And with the introduction of new units and upgrades come new tactics,strats,gaming the game tactics ect. All of the above does not lend itself well to people or person who dont wish to adapt to the current style of play.

[AKSWulfe]

Well Grunherz, the topic was not about the SpitIX or N1K2.

It was about your beloved LuftWeenies. How they are all running away, because the perception of how ultimate and fearful the LuftWaffe was in World War 2. They found it in WW2Ol, where the FM is off in lala land.

So here, I did the math for you.

Tour 15: The totals came out to 19127 total kills amongst the 8 LuftWaffle fighters.

Divide that by two, and it comes out to 9563.5 kills for those 8 LuftWaffle planes.

Lets compare that to my useless data and figure this one out. 9453 kills.

HOLY JEBUS! IT'S DOWN BY 110 KILLS!!!

I swear, sometimes I think people squeak just for the sake of squeaking. You do it top of the LuftWeenie class Grunherz. You wonder why people labeled your "elite LuftWaffe pilots" LuftWhiners?

It's self evident.
-SW

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