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Offline Debrody

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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #105 on: November 25, 2011, 01:23:34 PM »
or just leave that damn tailgun  :aok
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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #106 on: November 25, 2011, 01:57:20 PM »
I suppose there are a couple of ways to do it like you suggest.

And mind you these are just my musings....

HTC could model it so that your default head position for the "view-forward-left" snaps you over to the left side gunsight. They could map the default "view-forward-right" to snap you over to the right side.

Or they could get complex, and say "If level or above the horizon, stay in center gunsight, but if below the horizon, jump to the gunsight in the direction guns are pointing" (i.e. if you're pointed out left a little -- if you're dead astern it could just default to left always or right always).

I'm not sure I like the second idea... I think it's interesting but I'd want more control. I wouldn't want it to change my gun view right at a moment that got me killed. I'd rather get killed because I'm a poor shot!

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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #107 on: November 25, 2011, 09:47:02 PM »
The 1st idea sounds reasonable. :aok  Must say it sounds better than the 2nd one. :)  The one possible issue that I have with it is that I would have to keep it pressed down to continue looking while gunning?  Setting up 3 stations for it may be what they end up doing...  While a little complex-ish, one could get use to it.  1 Pilot, 2 L sight, 3 C sight, 4 R sight.

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EXTREMELY crude diagram, but it should get my point across.
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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #108 on: November 26, 2011, 09:17:17 AM »
I would like the option to remove the defensive armament altogether like it was done on many day-destroyers. They stripped off most of the armor too (it was factory armored against ground fire as a dive bomber). Perhaps we could get a lightened "hot rod" version like they did for the P-40. Option to have GM-1 installed in place of the guns would be very nice too for high-alt performance.
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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #109 on: November 26, 2011, 10:00:27 AM »
You need to show the exact documentation.  It couldn't be modeled by guesswork.
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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #110 on: November 26, 2011, 03:26:34 PM »
I'll leave that to Pyro and Co.
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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #111 on: November 27, 2011, 04:04:27 PM »
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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #112 on: November 27, 2011, 07:44:33 PM »
I'll leave that to Pyro and Co.

Pretty sure they can always use a hand.

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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #113 on: November 28, 2011, 01:45:25 AM »
I would like the option to remove the defensive armament altogether like it was done on many day-destroyers. They stripped off most of the armor too (it was factory armored against ground fire as a dive bomber). Perhaps we could get a lightened "hot rod" version like they did for the P-40. Option to have GM-1 installed in place of the guns would be very nice too for high-alt performance.

Moot can post some numbers, but it was only done on a handful of machines... Only one unit I believe had them. From memory I think Moot threw out "40" converted, but no idea how many actually flew in combat this way. If memory serves it was a last-ditch thing done late in the service life not long before production was cancelled completely.

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« Reply #114 on: November 28, 2011, 05:09:19 AM »
It wasn't last ditch.  Like I said before it was from the General der flieger or whatever the exact name was, Adolf Galland, at first on his own and later with consensus of whole top Luftwaffe brass, that campaigned and finally got it, going so far as to bounce the idea off Hitler to accelerate production.  This conversion is as last ditch as anything in that period - BK5 and MK103 e.g.
It'd be like saying BK5 or MK103 were last ditch because, for some totally off-chance reason in an alternative universe that made that other reality barely different from WWII as we know it, BK5/MK103 never made it to production beyond something like 50 units before 410 production wound down.

I don't have any numbers yet that could help Pyro.  For anyone else curious in general non-modeling terms I can say it changes power/weight and weight/wing-area figures up to P-38 level instead of barely different (P/W) or worse (W/A) from the 110G.

Top level speed would probably not change, but Powerloading goes up to P38 and P47M level and Wingloading goes to MossieVI/Me110/A20/Ta152/47N level.  These are all measured with fuel/ammo for 20min and about 10 kills worth (incl spare ammo for stray bullets IE more 50cal rounds to waste than 30mm's).
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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #115 on: November 28, 2011, 06:29:44 AM »
Just noticed that on this famous photo the barbettes looks to have been removed.

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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #116 on: November 28, 2011, 07:18:57 AM »
No, I reckon that's one right there immediately outside the left wing's shadow on the left side of the forward tail fuselage.



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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #117 on: November 28, 2011, 12:22:53 PM »
Sorry Moot, "last ditch" was my own description of it, given the benefit of hindsight you can see it was towards the end of 410 development. They wouldn't have described it this way at the time, but I can now (looking back). I didn't mean anything by it.

A famous photo of a no barbettes me410 is "Yellow 7":



There are better angles showing it, but that's all I can find right now.

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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #118 on: November 30, 2011, 09:05:20 AM »
Sorry Moot, "last ditch" was my own description of it, given the benefit of hindsight you can see it was towards the end of 410 development. They wouldn't have described it this way at the time, but I can now (looking back). I didn't mean anything by it.

A famous photo of a no barbettes me410 is "Yellow 7":

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There are better angles showing it, but that's all I can find right now.

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Re: Me 410 data
« Reply #119 on: November 30, 2011, 04:05:43 PM »
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