Me 410 data

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[moot]

Scherf you sent Pyro the whole digital enchilada we've accumulated on the 410, right?   So I don't end up sending him stuff he's already got.

[STEELE]

Remember, that 388mph is with bomb racks,   the clean speed is well known to be around 395 or so! 

[Scherf]

I've sent Pyro a good deal of the German doccos which I can find, bit by bit. I haven:t been able to send some of the other ref materials yet, family duties. I mentioned to Pyro I reckoned there'd be doubling up on some of the stuff he was getting, I guess he can dispose of anything he gets twice.

[Scherf]

Remember, that 388mph is with bomb racks,   the clean speed is well known to be around 395 or so! 

The speed curves posted earlier are for a clean wing. Would love to see a speed curve or indeed any original doccos for Notleistung, especially if it specifies racks/clean.

[Debrody]

Remember, that 388mph is with bomb racks,   the clean speed is well known to be around 395 or so!  

The 410 has a bomb bay. Is it sure it carries external bomb racks?
WMaker posted a chart on the 1st page, that shows, the 410 had a top speed of 320mph on the deck and 600kmph ~ 368mph at altitude, at 1.3 ata.
Following this logic, if cleaned out, 1.4 ata, it had a top speed of 395 at alt, then it should have (transferring the difference, 27mph), 320+27 = 347mph on the deck? Are you sure?
Still, if it could do 388 at alt, then on the deck it should do 338, whats fairly good, just between the g6 and the g2, close to the p38J/L and the D-jugs. According to the same chart, it could do 565+20=585kmph at 6k, whats like 357mph. Fairly decent.

One more thing.
Look the chart of the 109s, on the same picture  

In the characteristics, that curve isnt even simmilar to out 109s.

[moot]

The 410 has a bomb bay. Is it sure it carries external bomb racks?

The bomb racks were ordered fairly soon to be removed on all 410s that weren't designated bombers.  There was some lag in execution of the order, but I don't remember the exact chronology.

[Debrody]

The bomb racks were ordered fairly soon to be removed on all 410s that weren't designated bombers.  There was some lag in execution of the order, but I don't remember the exact chronology.

Thats a logical step. Still, i would ike to see a couple loadout variations, that bomb bay was highly flexible.
Btw we used the 210 Cas both as heavy divebombers, mostly to weaken the soviet supply lines, and also used 210s as night fighters/bomber destroyers.

[Karnak]

The bomb racks were ordered fairly soon to be removed on all 410s that weren't designated bombers.  There was some lag in execution of the order, but I don't remember the exact chronology.

Thats a logical step. Still, i would ike to see a couple loadout variations, that bomb bay was highly flexible.
Btw we used the 210 Cas both as heavy divebombers, mostly to weaken the soviet supply lines, and also used 210s as night fighters/bomber destroyers.

I would like to see them modeled like they are on the Mosquito.  The racks would only be mounted if you took bombs, rockets or tanks.  That way you can get a completely clean Me410 for fighter ops, taking internal bombs if you like, or have a dirtied up Me410 if you are moving mud or swatting cockroaches.

[STEELE]

The 410 has a bomb bay. Is it sure it carries external bomb racks?
WMaker posted a chart on the 1st page, that shows, the 410 had a top speed of 320mph on the deck and 600kmph ~ 368mph at altitude, at 1.3 ata.
Following this logic, if cleaned out, 1.4 ata, it had a top speed of 395 at alt, then it should have (transferring the difference, 27mph), 320+27 = 347mph on the deck? Are you sure?
Still, if it could do 388 at alt, then on the deck it should do 338, whats fairly good, just between the g6 and the g2, close to the p38J/L and the D-jugs. According to the same chart, it could do 565+20=585kmph at 6k, whats like 357mph. Fairly decent.

One more thing.
Look the chart of the 109s, on the same picture  
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In the characteristics, that curve isnt even simmilar to out 109s.

You're right!  In these charts, the 109g6 gains much more speed with less gains in altitude than it does in game !   

[moot]

One thing worth figuring out is what pieces of armor the crews removed on delivery.  In the Luftwaffe brass meeting notes you have them noting that it's the first thing ground crews do when they get the planes. That "this redundant work needs to stop."

Also in another meeting it's noted that the 410 "outflew" the 190 in all respects in a fly off they had.  No details given, so that's one thing to dig up maybe by getting our hands on a copy of these meeting notes.

And a minor thing on the 410's flight/FM character: it's also said that experienced pilots have no trouble dealing with the plane's quirks, only newer pilots.

[Karnak]

You're right!  In these charts, the 109g6 gains much more speed with less gains in altitude than it does in game !   

That is a Bf109G-6/AS, which has an AS engine for much better performance at altitude.  We have a Bf109G-6 with a normal DB605.

It would be nice to have the Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS, but we need the Bf109G-6 we have as well.

[Debrody]

Shemp, was just drawing a very simple line to the same chart:

The red line shows our actual G-6 (more or less accurately). Look the curve: it misses that step what the original one has, around 3-5km (9-15K). All the 109s has it.
Why is that? Almost looks like it has 2-staged supercharger, while i heard that the DB-6xx series had an one-staged, large supercharger.

Also what the heck is the me 109 hv1? Slow as hell, and "ohne waffen", unarmed.

Moot, the 410 wont be as a bad turner, based on its wingloading: its less that the 190, also has large flaps. The climb rate will be the real pain, not the turn ability.

[Karnak]

Moot, the 410 wont be as a bad turner, based on its wingloading: its less that the 190, also has large flaps. The climb rate will be the real pain, not the turn ability.

Wing loading less than the 190 is not a ringing endorsement of its turning ability.  The Mosquito's wing loading is significantly lower than the Me410's and it doesn't turn very well.  The flaps are just basic flaps, so I don't think much help will be had from them, but those slats looked larger than normal.

[moot]

Debrody look at those "vulgar" excel tables I made for the 410's different loadouts.  Those figures are about like the 190A8's as soon as you take more than minimum equipment.

HV1 sounds like Versucht (prototype) #1 for H-model.