Changing of the Guard Frame 01 AXIS AAR Comments

[kilo2]

Yes you are right could have been worse, Instead of telling my guys forget these 67s let them hit the target and find some fighters we were dumb enough to try and follow like good little lemmings.   

On a more serious note this frame caused me to lose 2 of my Best FSO pilots. 

Next time we wont be chasing Bombers we cant catch. 

One bad frame and people quit.

You have to follow the orders of the CiC even if you do not like them.

[Butcher]

One bad frame and people quit.

You have to follow the orders of the CiC even if you do not like them.

Good info to know

[kilo2]

Good info to know

Just helping you out.

[Butcher]

Just helping you out.

thanks!

[kilo2]

thanks!

No problem!

[DrBone1]

     Sukov

[kilo2]

I try to be helpful to the newer FSO squads sometimes they seem to need it.

[Guppy35]

I know axis needed a decisive vctory but when does a 44 bird match with early war? Spit viii should of been readily available. just saying

For the time frame Butcher, Shifty is correct with the Spitfire Vs.   The VIIIs didn't start arriving until late 43 and really didn't get into operational service until early 44.  The only thing you could suggest is subbing the Seafire IIc for the Spitfire Vc that the RAAF had so the ammo load is correct for an RAAF Spit Vc.  But those Spits also had the big tropical filter under the nose so performance was reduced.  The Spit Vs did struggle to keep up in the PTO due to that and other reasons.

Sometimes you just gotta make due with what you've got....remembering fighting A5s in my Spit V in the previous scenario

[perdue3]

WHOA, lots of crying here, I must have missed the sign on the way in:

[Butcher]

For the time frame Butcher, Shifty is correct with the Spitfire Vs.   The VIIIs didn't start arriving until late 43 and really didn't get into operational service until early 44.  The only thing you could suggest is subbing the Seafire IIc for the Spitfire Vc that the RAAF had so the ammo load is correct for an RAAF Spit Vc.  But those Spits also had the big tropical filter under the nose so performance was reduced.  The Spit Vs did struggle to keep up in the PTO due to that and other reasons.

Sometimes you just gotta make due with what you've got....remembering fighting A5s in my Spit V in the previous scenario

Really, Ki-67s from what I remember wern't operational until early/mid 44 - can't recall but I think it was primarily used around philippines or formosa which puts it 1944 if not late 1944. Correct me if I am wrong.
I don't have any AAR in which Ki-67s were in operation around New Guinea, maybe someone can provide those for me?

(not trying to be a smartass but kind of curious the setup, I know the Axis were suppose to have a decisive victory given the first frame screw ups, but really? why not even the playing fields a little?)
Instead of putting late war bombers why not have someone escort betties with zeroes instead of having some late war buffs flying at 28k that simply out run the fighters.

[HighTone]

Really, Ki-67s from what I remember wern't operational until early/mid 44 - can't recall but I think it was primarily used around philippines or formosa which puts it 1944 if not late 1944. Correct me if I am wrong.
I don't have any AAR in which Ki-67s were in operation around New Guinea, maybe someone can provide those for me?

(not trying to be a smartass but kind of curious the setup, I know the Axis were suppose to have a decisive victory given the first frame screw ups, but really? why not even the playing fields a little?)
Instead of putting late war bombers why not have someone escort betties with zeroes instead of having some late war buffs flying at 28k that simply out run the fighters.

The Ki-67's are subbing for the Ki-49's that we don't have. Problem with just subbing it with the Betty is the Ki-49 was faster and had pilot armor and self sealing tanks. Its a work around that gives a bit to the Axis favor. Happens to both sides from time to time. And very rarely can the Japanese out run anything (the Bettys, B5N's and D3A's cant say that) so again this like you said earlier this happens every so often. 

Just gotta get out of Port Moresby and head to the USN  

[front]

Yes you are right could have been worse, Instead of telling my guys forget these 67s let them hit the target and find some fighters we were dumb enough to try and follow like good little lemmings.   

On a more serious note this frame caused me to lose 2 of my Best FSO pilots. 

I'm guessing that the level of expectation which those 2 pilots should have understood was wrong. You play the cards you are dealt in FSO and you either rise to the occasion or you don't. FSO set ups may not always be perfect but, when they are not, it is not a reason to end it.

Don't let those guys leave FSO, Bone. You know, as well as the rest of us, that on the next FSO night the dice roll just as good as they did on the last throw.

cheers

front

[WxMan]

The way I see it is that the Axis whines of the first frame were about the number of F4U's which only involved 1/3 of the theatre.  The "fix" the CM's came up with allowed the increased number of KI's to be spread across the entire theatre.

[Butcher]

The way I see it is that the Axis whines of the first frame were about the number of F4U's which only involved 1/3 of the theatre.  The "fix" the CM's came up with allowed the increased number of KI's to be spread across the entire theatre.

The entire FSO has been messed up for one, for example my squad was suppose to have 7-10 pilots - we ended up with 15 on the first frame in Corsairs, second Pand screwed up and believed there was an ALT Cap when there wasn't, so we pretty much slaughtered his group and had enough pilots left over to go hunting, instead of losing quite a few.

Second frame all I heard was "Ki-67s over 34, P40's cant catch them, Spit V's cant catch them" I was over 29 and said hell with it I am not chasing ki67s for whatever 30 minutes of fuel I had left, especially since I can't out run them enough to get in front.

Its one of those dice rolls where both sides got the short end of the stick, very rarely does it happen.
can't wait to see frame three, I want to throw Irishone into a furball with 50 cons and watch how he goes and rages every one of them 

[DrBone1]

I'm guessing that the level of expectation which those 2 pilots should have understood was wrong. You play the cards you are dealt in FSO and you either rise to the occasion or you don't. FSO set ups may not always be perfect but, when they are not, it is not a reason to end it.

Don't let those guys leave FSO, Bone. You know, as well as the rest of us, that on the next FSO night the dice roll just as good as they did on the last throw.

cheers

front

I explained that to them Front, They will prob show up I mean who can pass up some good FSO action honestly. 

Besides next time I wont order my boys to follow something we cant catch, should have left them be and went for the other attackers, Was my mistake never to happen again.