Me410

[Karnak]

Airplane	Fuel	Armament	Sea Level Speed	Acceleration 150 to 200mph	Acceleration 200 to 250mph
Bf110G-2	50% fuel (34.9 minutes)	Two 20mm MG151/20, two 30mm MK108	MIL: 311 WEP: 322	MIL: 13.56 WEP: 12.03	MIL: 21.03 WEP: 19.00
Me410	50% fuel (38.7 minutes)	Two 20mm MG151/20, two 13mm MG131	MIL: 315 WEP: 327	MIL: 14.87 WEP: 12.85	MIL: 22.56 WEP: 19.44
Mosquito Mk VI	50% fuel (35.7 minutes)	Four 20mm Hispano Mk II, four .303	MIL: 320 WEP: 357	MIL: 15.19 WEP: 10.62	MIL: 23.40 WEP: 15.15
P-38L	75% fuel (27.6 minutes)	One M2 20mm, four M2 50 cal	MIL: 333 WEP: 345	MIL: 11.56 WEP: 10.09	MIL: 17.43 WEP: 14.60

[Lusche]

I'd take it over the 110G due to the sheer firepower.

Interestingly, keeping ballistics aside, the 'sheer firepower' of the 110 is greater than the 410's, both in one second burst power as well as in total destructive power of the ammo loadout.

[JVboob]

Airplane	Fuel	Armament	Sea Level Speed	Acceleration 150 to 200mph	Acceleration 200 to 250mph
Bf110G-2	50% fuel (34.9 minutes)	Two 20mm MG151/20, two 30mm MK108	MIL: 311 WEP: 322	MIL: 13.56 WEP: 12.03	MIL: 21.03 WEP: 19.00
Me410	50% fuel (38.7 minutes)	Two 20mm MG151/20, two 13mm MG131	MIL: 315 WEP: 327	MIL: 14.87 WEP: 12.85	MIL: 22.56 WEP: 19.44
Mosquito Mk VI	50% fuel (35.7 minutes)	Four 20mm Hispano Mk II, four .303	MIL: 320 WEP: 357	MIL: 15.19 WEP: 10.62	MIL: 23.40 WEP: 15.15
P-38L	75% fuel (27.6 minutes)	One M2 20mm, four M2 50 cal	MIL: 333 WEP: 345	MIL: 11.56 WEP: 10.09	MIL: 17.43 WEP: 14.60

what about roll rate climbrate and turn radious in seconds. 1 with no flaps 1 with fullflaps? and just saying 38 best plane of the lot

[bozon]

what about roll rate climbrate and turn radious in seconds. 1 with no flaps 1 with fullflaps? and just saying 38 best plane of the lot

Well, the B38 has the shortest range, the lowest firepower, similar unimpressive roll up to the J model, the wheel of a bomber and it is slower than the mosquito down low. The mosquito does all that while carrying a sack of potatoes in a starboard seat, weighing a couple hundred pounds incl. the seat itself and other related equipment. Above all, the mossie also looks better while doing so  

The biggest advantage of the 38 is that it has a big hole in the middle so most bullets just harmlessly pass through it. This is why it reminds me of a donut. Hmmm... donuts.


 

[titanic3]

Interestingly, keeping ballistics aside, the 'sheer firepower' of the 110 is greater than the 410's, both in one second burst power as well as in total destructive power of the ammo loadout.

But the ballistics is the whole point of the 410. The MK103s is way easier to aim with (my second sortie yesterday and I started landing hits from 600yards+ with consistency. The BK5 allows pretty much 100% safe bomber killing 1000+ away. Something the 110 can only do with Wgr 21s, which the 410 also have.

[Lusche]

But the ballistics is the whole point of the 410.

I would never argue that, but in 'sheer firepower' (which was the word being used) it comes 2nd only. that was my sole point.

[Debrody]

Eww Titan, i dont care about bombers. Still, if you cant kill something with the 110, the 410 wont help you out   

Btw the 410 is the very worst from the four, i would say its even worse than the mossie while its much slower and is 15eny vs the mossie's 30... interesting...
Better guns, etc, bullcrap! quad hizookas are the best air-to air gun package, nuff said. Nothing the 410 has on the mossie, 110, or the 38.

[titanic3]

I would never argue that, but in 'sheer firepower' (which was the word being used) it comes 2nd only. that was my sole point.

Against planes?

8x 20mms vs 2x 30mms/4x 20mms is a moot point as both can kill pretty much every plane in the game in a single snapshot.

Against buildings? Yea, you're right, the 110 can cause more damage. The 410 ammo load also allow newer players more chances to kill. (Albeit both planes have a crap ton of ammo, the 410 still have more ).

[titanic3]

Nothing the 410 has on the mossie, 110, or the 38.

In a 1 v 1, yes. In a bomber hunting role, nothing else. And the ENY is also there not just for planes but for ground targets as well. 

Think about it Deb. Imagine the typical 8th Air Force scenario or event. A group of 410s come in, each pick their set of bombers. 4x Wgr 21s means that bomber is dead on the first pass (the entire set). If the escorts get tangled up with the 109s/190s, then bombers are pretty much helpless vs the 410s. BK5 extends way beyond bomber's firing range, and one hit is all it takes. Even if the escorts manage to kill the 410, there's no stopping them from firing their rockets during the first pass, which WILL guarantee at least one dead bomber.

[Lusche]

Against planes?

8x 20mms vs 2x 30mms/4x 20mms is a moot point as both can kill pretty much every plane in the game in a single snapshot.

Against buildings? Yea, you're right, the 110 can cause more damage. The 410 ammo load also allow newer players more chances to kill. (Albeit both planes have a crap ton of ammo, the 410 still have more ).

You want to argue something I wasn't even talking about. I was just talking about sheer firepower, not about how much better or useful this is in this or that particular situation.

Yes, sometimes I tend to take phrases literally

[ToeTag]

The 410 is just a good buff hunter.  I love how a new plane gets added and "it's not as great as I thought it would be" posts start.

Low to medium alts it like the 110.

High alt (25 - 30 k) and its a bit worthless. I had to let some Lanc's walk last night.

It's not as nimble as a 110 so don't turn fight.

[Debrody]

Ya but they wont really be able to catch up on the bombers. Especially with rockets and Bk-5.
Also one (1) single fuffin jug would be able to kill like 5 410s. Talking about a co-E fight, withouth BnZ. Now think about it.

[Krupinski]

In the right hands, the 410s laser beam ballistics will make up for some of the lack of maneuverability.

[titanic3]

Yes, sometimes I tend to take phrases literally

Apparently.

[Karnak]

I will say just based on the feel of the airplane I would not want to find myself in a fight against a Bf110G-2, Mosquito Mk VI or P-38L while in the Me410.  All three of those handle much better as fighters than does the Me410.  The Me410 is just a very heavy airplane for its wing area.

what about roll rate climbrate and turn radious in seconds. 1 with no flaps 1 with fullflaps? and just saying 38 best plane of the lot

I will post more later, but I don't currently do roll rate or turn rate tests.

The P-38 is the only twin engined aircraft in AH that I really count as a full fledged fighter.  The Mosquito is almost there and the Bf110G-2 isn't too far behind.