Gun control laws do they work ?

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sorry to nitpick but there is no such thing, all "rights" are defined by man. they may be natural in the trivial sense that humans are part of nature, but nature/reality/whatever you want to call it has no concept of ethics.

if rights came from somewhere other than human consensus, there would be no argument over them, it would be pointless.

I think I am in a arguing mood today

I completely disagree with this...... and very much agree with this....

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness....."


no one can stand up for those rights but YOU and You alone....and only YOU have the power to enforce them....and YES DEATH is worth enforcing those rights.

[LCADolby]

that all men are created equal

Commie 

[RTHolmes]

obvious and self-evident to some maybe, but entirely artificial and created by man.

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Commie 

 

[Widewing]

sorry to nitpick but there is no such thing, all "rights" are defined by man. they may be natural in the trivial sense that humans are part of nature, but nature/reality/whatever you want to call it has no concept of ethics.

if rights came from somewhere other than human consensus, there would be no argument over them, it would be pointless.

It seems that you are confusing natural rights with legal rights.

I suggest a reading of The Rights of Man, by Thomas Paine.

Available free online.
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/rights/c2-041.htm

[RTHolmes]

way ahead of you, its amateurish rhetoric.


edit: ok thats a little unfair, he didnt have the benefit of the last coupla hundred years of political philosophy to lean on, but it is mostly rhetoric. the few places where he attempts to make arguments have some interesting ideas but he would be ripped apart by a modern political philosophy undergraduate. even for his day its rather sloppy work.

[mtnman]

... in the trivial sense that humans are part of nature, but nature/reality/whatever you want to call it has no concept of ethics.

Wow, tempting.

How do you consider humans being part of nature as trivial?

Are we not natural?

[mtnman]

...all "rights" are defined by man.

Yup, I agree.

In the country I live in, we've been fortunate enough to have some founding father's who helped define ours in a way that works very well.

[zack1234]

Commie 

[zack1234]

Are stupid people equal?

[danny76]

Are stupid people equal?

Not in terms of nouse I don't s'pose

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It seems that you are confusing natural rights with legal rights.

I suggest a reading of The Rights of Man, by Thomas Paine.

Available free online.
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/rights/c2-041.htm

I have so much to say to that...wish rule 14 did not exist........ I got through a few paragraphs and came upon this

".....When extraordinary power and extraordinary pay are allotted to any individual in a government, he becomes the center, round which every kind of corruption generates and forms. Give to any man a million a year, and add thereto the power of creating and disposing of places, at the expense of a country, and the liberties of that country are no longer secure. What is called the splendour of a throne is no other than the corruption of the state. It is made up of a band of parasites, living in luxurious indolence, out of the public taxes
      When once such a vicious system is established it becomes the guard and protection of all inferior abuses. The man who is in the receipt of a million a year is the last person to promote a spirit of reform, lest, in the event, it should reach to himself. It is always his interest to defend inferior abuses, as so many outworks to protect the citadel; and on this species of political fortification, all the parts have such a common dependence that it is never to be expected they will attack each othe"


one of the most truth full statements I have ever read is colored in red.......


I was having a conversation with my 13 year old son, trying to explain, why "right/good" is right and "wrong/bad" is wrong.....

1-we need laws to govern us, otherwise people would do whatever they wanted to whoever they wanted....and no one except the "strong" would be content.
2-we can not rule ourselves, for we allow our animal/natural instinct to take over...which knows no right or wrong, our world is a perfect example of what happens when we try to rule our selves.....

we are NOT an "accident" we didn't "just happen" if you believe those two things as fact, you are blind....
.................

I Respect HTC and company....I can go no further with this, due to that respect.



 
 

[zack1234]

So stupid people have rights?

[danny76]

So stupid people have rights?

well I have been told I have a few. So I say they must. Just not as many as smart rich folk

[zack1234]

I knew someone in Liverpool who was a complete idiot, he had lots of guns was fat and had a moustache.

I  was not fit to have a spoon