FREE SPIT 14 and new perk changes to other planes!

[Warspawn]

You're in an F8; if you're flying clean, you're doing it wrong. And the 8x bombs would probably be less weight than the 500kg bomb and 12 PB1 rockets.

Besides, the main reasons I want the 190F-8 updates are that it could carry 2x 250kg bombs (and perhaps 1x 250kg bomb on the centerline. There is a severe lack of evidence both for and against). It could also carry a 1000kg bomb centerline, it could carry a torpedo or 280mm air to ground rockets.

The 190 airframe was extremely versatile, and HTC has done a poor job of representing this. The A-5 could also carry 300L drop tanks and a 250kg bomb on the center, instead of just the DT on the center replacing the bomb. But it apparently precluded mounting the MG FF's in the wing.

Man-oh-man I'd love to see additional load-outs for the F8.  I, and I'm sure many others, would fly it far more often if it did.  Heck, I've killed GV's with the little bombs on the LA; having 8 to drop would be pure awesomesauce!

[bozon]

Just like you have to treat every 190 like a dora/152, treat every F4U like a -4 or -C, every Tyhp like a Tempest, every 109 Like a K4, Every Pony like a D. I fail to see how this is different? On the deck EVERY one of the planes I just said can run you down faster then a Spit 14 can. And almost everyone of them have a slower sister plane that has the same Icon until 700.

The spit 14 is only <15 mph faster at most alts under 10k vs a Spit 16. On the deck without Wep an A8 will only be 4 mhp slower, and with WEP 10mhp. An A8 though has double the WEP so when the spit runs out in its 5mins, the A8 has 4mins to pull away at around 20 mhp... so in a tail chase the spit would only catch you with a lot more E or started 1.5 or less behind you. otherwise you would simply run it out of WEP and fuel.

Every 190 you meet IS a dora and every 109 you meet IS a K4 - those are very likely assumptions. Your F4U and Tempest analogies are not as good because -4, C and Tempest are perked and rare. There are a heck of a lot more -1,-1A and D models of the F4U flying around.

15 mph on th deck is a very big difference, especially when it comes with perhaps the best acceleration in the game.

That argument was used for years to justify the Mk XIV's perk status.  It holds no water that the same argument pointed at the Bf109K-4, La-7 or P-51D does not also hold.

I did say that because the K4, La7 and P51D are not perked, the 14 does not deserve a perk tag. However, in my opinion, unperking the 14 was the wrong direction - the K4 and La7 should have been perked together with the 14.

[Karnak]

EI did say that because the K4, La7 and P51D are not perked, the 14 does not deserve a perk tag. However, in my opinion, unperking the 14 was the wrong direction - the K4 and La7 should have been perked together with the 14.

As long as the 51D remains unperked, and it cannot be perked because it is "THE "P-51D, the Greatest Fighter of the War and All American Symbol of Triumph in the Skies!", perking the K-4, La-7 or Spitfire Mk XVI are nonsensical.

[Fruda]

Unperked Mk.XIV, eh?

Looks like I'll get to hear the sound of that Griffon more often.

[bustr]

I'm not seeing hoards of XIV.

The few I do are mostly struggling to figure out why it won't fly like an 8 or 16. A few others are using it as a picking bird. I go anywhere in an XIV I get followed home by an La7, spit16 or 2, a Tempest and an A6m to gang me while I'm low on fuel and cannot afford to fight because the griffon will suck out the last drops the moment I hit WEP. Or 6 of their friends show up 10k above me eventually to make sure climbing is not an option.

Guess no one got the word it isn't perked anymore. Or is the word out to punish all XIV and show them they ain't chit? I get ganged now worse than when it was perked. Also by the time you burn enough fuel to start flying like a spit8, it's time to RTB fuel. I'm not suggesting people avoid you to help you burn up your fuel then follow you home. It kind of feels that way sometimes. I'm still playing with the tank burn nuances to balance getting there, loiter, ACM, and RTB.

[Lusche]

I'm not seeing hoards of XIV.

Just a momentary snaphsot, so I'm not going to put it in my stats thread

Relative Usage of the Spitfire family (excl. Seafire) in the past 36 hours:





By the way, still hoping someone will put up the new ENY/perk list (AH wiki?)... 

[SmokinLoon]

New Perk Prices:
262 = 200
B29 = 100
Tiger II = 100
Ae234 = 50
Me163 = 50
Tempest = 50
F4U-1C = 20
F4U-4 = 20
Mossi B = 20
Tiger I = 20
Panther = 15
Firefly = 4
T34/85 = 2
M4A3 = 1
M18 = 1

I verified ENY modifier was 1.00, and for the record I watched it go to .95 and the price of the Me262 went to 210 and the Firefly was unchanged at 4 though the F4U's went from 20 to 22.  I will get the ENY and OBJ values for you in a day or two.  In the mean time keep your bonnet on.   

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Every 190 you meet IS a dora and every 109 you meet IS a K4 - those are very likely assumptions. Your F4U and Tempest analogies are not as good because -4, C and Tempest are perked and rare. There are a heck of a lot more -1,-1A and D models of the F4U flying around.

15 mph on th deck is a very big difference, especially when it comes with perhaps the best acceleration in the game.
I did say that because the K4, La7 and P51D are not perked, the 14 does not deserve a perk tag. However, in my opinion, unperking the 14 was the wrong direction - the K4 and La7 should have been perked together with the 14.

They're not THAT rare I shot down a f4u-4 in my Hurri I just yesterday!

[Debrody]

Every 190 you meet IS a dora and every 109 you meet IS a K4 - those are very likely assumptions. Your F4U and Tempest analogies are not as good because -4, C and Tempest are perked and rare. There are a heck of a lot more -1,-1A and D models of the F4U flying around.

15 mph on th deck is a very big difference, especially when it comes with perhaps the best acceleration in the game.

I did say that because the K4, La7 and P51D are not perked, the 14 does not deserve a perk tag. However, in my opinion, unperking the 14 was the wrong direction - the K4 and La7 should have been perked together with the 14.

The point is, i handle the 16s and the 14s differently. Up til now, i just cant go wrong expecting every spit icon to be a monster turner, very steady, moderately fast aircraft - the spit14 can turn too, but can be suckered badly in the scissors, aaaand its FAST.

Under 10k, the la7 is a lot better aircraft than both the K4 and the Spit14. But perking them might result even more timidity. I know it does not affect you, but it does affect me as all i want is just a good turnfight and many of them already just run.
 

[Lusche]

New Perk Prices:

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I verified ENY modifier was 1.00, and for the record I watched it go to .95 and the price of the Me262 went to 210 and the Firefly was unchanged at 4 though the F4U's went from 20 to 22.  I will get the ENY and OBJ values for you in a day or two.  In the mean time keep your bonnet on.   

Very nice, thank you 

[Karnak]

I don't play very much anymore, but last night I went to try the AvA's current setup.  However somebody "won" the war just as I got into my Mossie's cockpit.  Seeing as the AvA doesn't play friendly with winning the war I jumped over to the MA.  Located a field near some action and chose my direction to take off from.  I expected to find myself in a Mossie again, but for some reason I was in a Spitfire Mk XIV.  The last time I recall using the Mk XIV was months ago, but what the heck it had full fuel and a drop tank, so off I went.

The fighting was not really much to speak of.  I found myself with another Rook or two against a bunch of reds, two Bf109s (G-14 and K-4), two Fw190s, three Spitfires (a IX and two XVIs), an La-7 and an A-20.  Well, I pretty much suck and wasn't able to generate shots on the reds very much, though I did put holes into the Bf109G-14 where after he was out of the fight.  Pilot wound I suspect based on where I hit him, we were near an enemy field so he would easily have made it away.  The difference for me was that through all of this I was surviving, even when I was down to being the last Rook in the area that I could see I was still able to survive, though I was off to one side by that time, with just the two Spit XVIs close below me.  I engaged the Spits and took some light hits that did no more than punch holes in my wings, but I was unable to get angles on them, and then 30 seconds into the fight with the two XVIs my WEP ran out.  I thought that this was not a good thing and wasn't inclined to try using a heavier fighter against two XVIs that now had a higher E state.  Having about 3000ft of altitude to work with I went into a gentle dive and just left the two Mk XVIs behind, even though I was on MIL.  They gave the usual long range parting shots, but scored no hits.

It was nice not to be the focus of suicidal enemy attacks trying to kill the perk plane.  As for the Spit XIV, it is very heavy compared to other Spits, but also markedly more survivable I think.  If I'd flown my Mossie into that I have no doubt I'd have been shot down well before my WEP ran out, and because of my throttle use I was probably engaged heavily for seven or eight minutes before WEP ran out.

[SkyRock]

Unperked Mk.XIV, eh?

Looks like I'll get to hear the sound of that Griffon more often.

I logged on yesterday, saw 7 spits, 6 of them XIV's and one 9.

[SmokinLoon]

One cannon round takes out an ack gun.  And buildings and several GV types also (m8, m18, wirby, etc) take just a fe cannon rounds.   But I might try it.  Extra weight won't help fighting against air cons though and if cannons can do the job... why bother?

The world is a really small place for you, isn't it?  One of my favorite quotes from a movie applies here, it is from the movie "Platoon". In the scene where Chris Taylor walks in to the smokey bunker and King grabs his arm and hands him a joint, King says to Chris "Its real simple. Ya free yo mind and your donut will follow."  I suggest you at least attempt to see the bigger picture, things are not so simple as grabbing an Lgay7 and de-acking a field or else the US, RAF, Germans, Japanese, and Italians would have all done it after they had designed their own Lgay7. 

[Rich46yo]

I think thats great news "didnt even know till now". I always liked the Spit-14.

[bozon]

I think thats great news "didnt even know till now". I always liked the Spit-14.

And what exacly prevented you from flying one before?
...if you are about to say "perk cost", please tell us how many perk points do you have.