Cross Control Stall Tutorial

[FLS]

No, but you did state that you can perform a rolling scissors (among other maneuvers) as a basic maneuver. You can't, as a rolling scissors requires another aircraft by definition of the maneuver. There was no agenda, just trying to point out the discrepancy.

I did not say that. Again you misrepresent my statements.

I said a rolling scissors was composed of rolls and loops.

[Skyyr]

I did not say that. Again you misrepresent my statements.

I said a rolling scissors was composed of rolls and loops.

Then my apologies - I misunderstood. -=S=-

[FLS]

Happens to all of us. 

[Traveler]

With all due respect, having fought both you and Poison, a fight between the two of you wouldn't be anything close to even. You might want to be a bit more respectful to Poison before your posts backfire severely.

-=S=-

I never claimed to be good, in fact I suck at it. But he brought it up, not me,, but I'm always willing to fight anyone in the MA on any saturday night, even a know nothing like him.

[Traveler]

Now just go. Wtg on turning a tutorial thread into a chest-beating, troll GD thread.

Because its not a tutorial thread when the OP is totally off base and presenting bad information as a subject expert.

[xPoisonx]

Because its not a tutorial thread when the OP is totally off base and presenting bad information as a subject expert.

Lol. Community at its finest right here.

[BaldEagl]

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Still trying to pick fights in the Help and Training arena three days later.  This isn't the place for it.

What a loser.

[Someguy63]

Because its not a tutorial thread when the OP is totally off base and presenting bad information as a subject expert.

It was posted to showcase the maneuver not the name.

[Puma44]

I said a rolling scissors was composed of rolls and loops.

Not so.  There are no loops involved in a rolling scissors.  However, the basis of a rolling scissors is a series of roll reversal maneuvers.

[Traveler]

It was posted to showcase the maneuver not the name.

What maneuver do you think it showcases?

[FLS]

Not so.  There are no loops involved in a rolling scissors.  However, the basis of a rolling scissors is a series of roll reversal maneuvers.

Your diagram looks like a flat scissors. In any case the rolling scissors is a series of barrel rolls and a barrel roll is an aileron roll and loop flown at the same time. Hence the rolling scissors uses loops.

[colmbo]

Your diagram looks like a flat scissors.

FLS, look closer.  Notice the F-16s first move is a roll over the top of the red airplane.  Later blue "reverses with a barrel roll".  

As for a barrel roll being a loop and roll…depends on how you do them.  The big loopy one is as you said.  Another version is flown tighter, you displace the nose to one side of your reference point and roll "around" that point…IMO the latter is harder to do well….the former is much pretty and fun to fly.

I'm an octoflugeron guy myself.

[FLS]

I agree there are barrel rolls at the start and finish of the diagram but the middle looks like a flat scissors and Puma ' s description of rolling to reverse fits flat scissors. The  rolling scissors is generally a continuous turn in one direction without the reversals of the flat scissors.  I agree that some loaded rolls are not complete loops but my original contention is simply that the maneuvers I listed are composed of rolls and loops. In a case like the split S we obviously consider partial rolls and partial loops. I think we can do the same for barrel rolls.

[Puma44]

Your diagram looks like a flat scissors. In any case the rolling scissors is a series of barrel rolls and a barrel roll is an aileron roll and loop flown at the same time. Hence the rolling scissors uses loops.

A loop is a complete 360 degree turn in the vertical.  The diagram is of a vertical rolling scissors.  When it's not vertical, it's a flat or horizontal rolling scissors.  Below is a diagram of a flat scissors:

[Pluto]

Wow. . .This thread