Cross Control Stall Tutorial

[Traveler]

I was taught that stall plus yaw resulted in a spin. I guess rudder is still affective in a stall condition. So, one could direct the nose with the rudder, but it would be on the edge of entering a spin.

Only if the rudder is till effective, the rudder is the first and last control surface to have a positive effect on the airframe, depending on airflow past the rudder, there maybe some effect, there maybe none.

[Puma44]

For a hammerhead you go straight up, rotate, go straight down.

An Immelman is a half loop flown with continuous lift.

A chandelle is a climbing turn with continuous lift.

A wingover occurs if you yaw too soon in a stall turn.

A tailslide occurs if you yaw too late in a stall turn.

Basically, a stall turn is a turn without continuous lift from the wings.

What's the source of your "stall turn" terminology?

[FLS]

What's the source of your "stall turn" terminology?

Neil Williams' book "Aerobatics" published by Crowood Press. ISBN 9780950454306.

[Puma44]

Thanks.  So, what you're talking about is actually an aerobatic maneuver typically flown in competition and/or airshows? 

[FLS]

Thanks.  So, what you're talking about is actually an aerobatic maneuver typically flown in competition and/or airshows? 

Stall turn is what the British call a Hammerhead turn. Most of the stall turns I see are not hammerheads by the aerobatic competition definition so
I use the terms separately.

Aerobatic maneuvers flown in airshows comprise the basic maneuvers of ACM.

[Traveler]

For a hammerhead you go straight up, rotate, go straight down.

An Immelman is a half loop flown with continuous lift.

A chandelle is a climbing turn with continuous lift.

A wingover occurs if you yaw too soon in a stall turn.

A tailslide occurs if you yaw too late in a stall turn.

Basically, a stall turn is a turn without continuous lift from the wings.

I'd have to take exception to some of these term descriptions, I've also seen documents that equate the Hammerhead to a Stall Turn.  But if you are representing these as the defining terms, they are incomplete.  The Hammerhead, Immelman, Chandelle and Wingover all change direction of flight by 180 degrees, the hammerhead and wingover maneuver both end at the same altitude at which they were started. At no time during a wingover is the airfoil stalled.   The immelman changes direction of flight and gains altitude requiring a coordinated roll at the top and the airfoil is never stalled. The hammerhead does not allow for a roll of any kind, and reverses direction of flight by yawing the tail left or right using rudder alone to swing around the center of gravity, aileron is used to counter roll from toque.  

[FLS]

They aren't defining terms they're differentiations.

Your point about hammerheads is why I use stall turns more generally, "nice stall turn" sounds better than "bad hammerhead".

[Puma44]

Aerobatic maneuvers flown in airshows comprise the basic maneuvers of ACM.

Which ones?

[Oyabun]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nlMPbNAZQXg

[Lusche]

I call it a stall
each time I fall
from the sky like lead
with my Ta's tail ahead

 

[FLS]

Which ones?

The most basic aerobatic maneuvers are the aileron roll and loop. That gives us various basic fighter maneuvers. The Immelman,  split S, rolling scissors, flat scissors, wing-over, barrel roll attack and barrel roll defense, are a few examples.

The hammerhead or stall turn was first used in air combat in WW1. Aircraft with rotary engines used gyroscopic precession  to help turn within a small radius.

[Traveler]

I'd like to see you beat me once in this game traveler, then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about
Tell you what. I'll start at 1k you start at 10.

I'm on with my squad every Saturday night, we fly as Knights, come fly with us or against us, come shoot me down.  what's your ingame name, I'm Traveler.  we fly starting at 7 EST .  We always fly heavy into a target an try to dog fight our way out.  We have a blast.  I get shoot down a lot, I stink so killing me doesn't take much. But come out and enjoy the night.  Check out our Wiki page.

Looked for you all night , You were as I thought a no show.  Just another knew nothing  loud mouth, I was on Saturday night as usual flying with my squad, what's your ingame name loud mouth, my name is Traveler.  Thought you wanted to beat me in this game?  I guess your all talk. 

[xPoisonx]

Looked for you all night , You were as I thought a no show.  Just another knew nothing  loud mouth, I was on Saturday night as usual flying with my squad, what's your ingame name loud mouth, my name is Traveler.  Thought you wanted to beat me in this game?  I guess your all talk.  

It was not a serious challenge as I already know the would be outcome (your death), and if you can't figure out my name then facepalm. I was on for a few hours although I only flew a handful of sorties.. Most of which lasted over an hour each

[Lusche]

I always thought it's a good practice to keep the Help & Training forum clear from personal battles and mudslinging.

[Skyyr]

I propose that both Traveler and Poison duel 1v1 and then post the films in the Training forum. What say you people?