It's coming this August...

[Delirium]

Oh, and just to lay this "110 we have is uber" myth even more to rest, here's another nail in the coffin:

Boy, Krusty hasn't changed a bit.

Did you test it in a dive? It builds up speed much better nose low (and can hold onto it almost as well as the RAF) than the Spit or Hurricane and that is exactly what I referring to. The fact you don't know this gives my stance more credibility.

The only weakness it had is the fact it had to limit the engagement to maintain a speed advantage. That isn't a weakness when you can leave Spitfires choking on your exhaust as you easily pulled away.

Climb to alt, dive slightly to build up speed and keep it fast the entire time. It can BnZ with ease, again leaving the Spit and Hurricane choking on exhaust fumes.

Feel free to argue the point, but anyone with any common sense realizes it dominates the BoB event particularly without altitude limitations placed on the event.

[Delirium]

Basically, you fly the 110 like a Me262; you keep 7k beneath you to rapidly exit and nothing will catch you, even it the interceptor has a tremendous altitude advantage. Once you get away, climb and come back for more feasting.

I would say the 110s would dominate a situation where they were fighting Me109Es instead of Spitfires and Hurricanes. They can minimize their exposure to danger and make one pass kills quite easily.

[Devil 505]

God forbid the Allies have to deal with an enemy that's better at altitude. 

[Zoney]

God forbid the Allies have to deal with an enemy that's better at altitude. 

This

[horble]

BoB without the 110 would just be weird.

[puller]

God forbid the Allies have to deal with an enemy that's better at altitude. 

 

[Owlblink]

What have been the altitude restrictions in the past?...because from those charts you could definitely get the Spitfires into a BnZ situation like Bruv and Del described...especially while the 109's are engaging them.in close combat.

again, that has to do with strategy. Any plane with a good guns platform can BnZ if it comes in with the energy advantage. A Smart commander will have their pilots fly line abreast till engaged, hold off an element or a flight while the other engages (unless numbers require). Plan for what you fear, hold something with high alt for the 110s and everyone is fine.

In the end it's not the plane, it is the pilots and the planning. In Hell over Hinterland the Typhoon did enjoy speed and a great guns platform but the fact it did well was because of good pilots. The only real threat a plane posses to an enemy, once spotted, is a psychological one. Stay calm, brake defensively at the right time and with intent to be the attacker and nothing can shoot you down. And above all, teamwork teamwork teamwork.

[Bruv119]

In the last BoB scenario I flew the 110s. We were unstoppable! The thing could engage and disengage at will and had the firepower to down one or more RAF fighters in one pass. Unless the original variant is available, it will dominate the virtual skies once again.

The only weakness it had is the fact it had to limit the engagement to maintain a speed advantage. That isn't a weakness when you can leave Spitfires choking on your exhaust as you easily pulled away.

del was the exact pilot that opened my mind to how silly the 110 is in this setting.  i witnessed his scene of terror during the last bofb.  i made a point of getting more altitude and speed to avenge my colleagues however he saw me coming and left me for dead in a drag race nearly all the way back to france.   to top it off he even then reset the fight when he had some backup 109s come in.   needless to say i was all grrr   that is bs.  i can tolerate being outnumbered badly, i can deal with the fact that it takes nearly a whole clip just to shoot down a couple of bombers whilst they have escorts.  i just cant accept my beautiful spitfire being out turned out gunned and out run by a dang 110!   

im glad he totally agrees from the other pov. 

i never said remove it completely just alter some of the conditions for further historical accuracy. 

[Owlblink]

They day is coming…

[puller]

They day is coming…

I like it! 

[JunkyII]

again, that has to do with strategy. Any plane with a good guns platform can BnZ if it comes in with the energy advantage. A Smart commander will have their pilots fly line abreast till engaged, hold off an element or a flight while the other engages (unless numbers require). Plan for what you fear, hold something with high alt for the 110s and everyone is fine.

In the end it's not the plane, it is the pilots and the planning. In Hell over Hinterland the Typhoon did enjoy speed and a great guns platform but the fact it did well was because of good pilots. The only real threat a plane posses to an enemy, once spotted, is a psychological one. Stay calm, brake defensively at the right time and with intent to be the attacker and nothing can shoot you down. And above all, teamwork teamwork teamwork.

I agree but for Krusty to call them false claims and then post those charts is a stretch...Above 26K the 110 pulls away easily which makes it easier to BnZ...fact of life speed is the key to survival in that situation.

[Delirium]

I agree but for Krusty to call them false claims and then post those charts is a stretch

Nothing new. Hitech even calls a complete load of hogwash the "Krusty Scale". Do a search if you want some amusement.

[FBDragon]

Dam, can't we all just stop complaining!!! What's the sense in it. So one side has a better airplane, The scenario the tempest was a better airplane. In RL the japs had a better airplane in the beginning, we had to develop tactics to counter it. We should do the same thing here. 

[Bruv119]

Dam, can't we all just stop complaining!!! What's the sense in it. So one side has a better airplane, The scenario the tempest was a better airplane. In RL the japs had a better airplane in the beginning, we had to develop tactics to counter it. We should do the same thing here. 

sorry dragon but that is mis-information.  Whilst the Tempest was good it still got run down by 109K4s, d9s and TAs in a dive and at 20k.   So it didn't un-balance anything.   The guys in them did a fantastic job in staying alive.   

As delirium alluded to it is akin to a 262 in the MA stay fast and your un-touchable.  I got touched and not in a good way plenty of times in Hinterland. 

I'm happy if it is at least looked at in the design I'll accept whatever Nef decides is fair.  If nothing changes then we will just be repeating the same thing that happened in the last two bofbs where the Luftwaffe wipe the floor with the RAF all too easily IMO.  Thanks to the Ju88 and 110 and not the fights that 109s spits and hurricanes can have.   

[Delirium]

Dam, can't we all just stop complaining!!!

I'm not complaining, I am merely stating the most effective use of the bird in that environment. I wanted to fly the 110 just once for the BoB scenario. Now that I have, if I had the choice I'd rather fly something with steeper safety curve. Scenarios are little fun in the easier birds, it is one of the reasons I am volunteering (again) to fly unarmed recce P38s for the next 8th AF based scenario.