Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
What I find annoying is that despite the fact that the plane has been perked and despite the fact that you have officially quit shortly after it being perked you still don't get that you were such a whiner in regards to this one plane that it is unbelievable.
I mean.. really.. was it necessary to insult anyone that flew it? No. But you did.
ok show me where i insulted anyone flying it? as far as i can remember the nearest got to insulting anyone who flew it was to claim its easy to kill in it and therefore the better pilots would be fairer on those less skilled if they chose a more challenging ride.The reasons i quit were for pricing and the lack of any new 'gameplay' features being added, and i clearly stated it was not fair of me to expect HTC to keep up with what i wanted to see added.I stated that it was burnout that caused this because of flying essentially the same game but with added planes to try.The last update with the d11,ki and Il2 was a dissapointment for me 'personally' because i had little interest in them.again i dont expect HTC to pander to my every whim, it just happened that the last update didnt thrill me enough to overlook the basic strategy/gameplay that id played for almost 2 years. Id essentially got tired of the game but not the planes or the dogfighting.I just cant dogfight forever deja because i prefer a greater element of strat ok?
Was it necessary to call anyone that even thought about defending pilots rights to fly whatever the want? No. But you did.
? i think i get the jist here.I NEVER asked for the plane to be removed.I thought in the interest of the game less of the f4cs around would be benefitial to all.seems HTC agreed when they perked it and i myself found the 2 months i flew after it was perked were full of a much more diverse target enviroment.This i personally thought helped stop the frustration of fighting f4ucs constantly.You claim i have something against those that flew it? i think you are wrong.I had a problem with seeing the damn thing everywhere and seeing as how it was deadly it rather spoiled the enjoyment of a good dogfight.best ive had was a 109g2 vs a spit5 i think with superfly.had we both been in f4ucs the fight would have been over after the first hit instead this fight switched advantage again and again with both of us being hit.Dont you agree this sort of fight is more fun?
Now, you have the sliver of a "600 lbs too lite" for a plane that never handled that well anyways. Magically, you forget that your whole argument was basaed on "UBER LASER GUNS". Does 600 lbs too lite somehow make it more lethal in an HO situation? Nah... but you hold onto that number if you want.
if it was 600lbs and you think this weight is to be disregarded why not let every other plane have a 600lb weight reduction? Id sure like to have the 190a8 with 600lb taken off it!(joke deja).I watched an interveiw of the best p47 pilot of the war and he stated he preferred the older p47 without the added weight of armour because it reduced its performance so much.I think he said'for every 100lbs of weight you add you need 400 horsepower to compensate it' (or something along those lines memory is shot
), but obviously you know better right?a few hundred pounds less weight didnt give the f4uc ANY advantage???
'uber laser guns' was my arguement was it? I think i merely agreed with others and added that to my overall opinion that too many f4ucs was bad for the game.
What really cracks me up is when someone like hazed comes in here and tries to pretend that its not purely 20 mm envy that motivates his discussion in this thread.
again deja you employ your considerable talent at mind reading! of course THATS IT! Im just envious of the guns! why did i not realise this before? you are a moron deja.
That its not the fact that 4 hispanos pack a hell of a lot more punch than their LW counterparts.
i never said they didnt deja, but i did question whether the difference was as high as it appears in AH:
Mg151/20:
fire rate: about 750 rounds per minute.
muzzle-vel: about 800 m/s.
projectile weigh: average of 92 - 110 grams.
Gun Weigh: 41.5 kg
Hispano Mk-II:
fire rate: about 600 rounds per minute.
muzzle-vel: about 860 m/s.
projectile weigh: average of 130 grams.
Gun Weigh: 50 kg
Hispano Mk-V:
fire rate: about 750 rounds per minute.
muzzle-vel: about 840 m/s.
projectile weigh: average of 130 grams.
Gun Weigh: 42 kg
then there is this :originally vermillion post:
The MG151 has approximately 78% of the delivered energy (ie Lethality) of the Hispano MkII.
The Hispano MkV has about 96% of the lethality of the MkII.
and finally from the man himself:
'The 20mm mine shell didn't show up quite so well. A comparative test with
the Hispano concluded that there wouldn't be much difference. What the
Hispano lost in explosive effect (only half the HE), it gained in kinetic energy, and it stood a better chance of punching through aircraft structures to reach fuel tanks,
or to inflict structural damage. Once again, it was with wing hits that the
mine shell was most dangerous.
Cheers,
Tony Williams'this is single shell vs shell but a hit is a hit and so similar effects for a single hit in AH should be seen right?
Hazed... you may notice they still haven't turned down the velocity on those hispano rounds 
Oh yea... I forgot... you weren't really talking about that when you argued about the CHog.
AKDejaVu
exactly right deja I never did argue the velocity was wrong.Again i say it. My arguement was that something was wrong with the chog and too many in the arena was killing the game for me personaly.the guns also seemed incredibly easy to kill with and from what i read of every other post on the subject the mg151 was only marginally less effective(as in it should acheive similar results in a different way eg harder to hit with but not much less deadly, with mineshells etc)
is my arguement a whine? no . but you said it was didnt you?.
we can all twist what we say into personal attacks deja, but what i said on the chog was a complaint by a customer about an issue that was felt to be spoiling the game.The reason i said im sick of reading yours and others posts is that they always end up a slanging match with one side calling the other whiners.I have explained before how much i detest this crap but it is always brought up again and again when i question anything in the game,and usually by you or SW or Laz1.
[ 06-25-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
