Ruger PC9 Carbine or S&W M&P Sport 2

[OldNitro]

Really?  Isn't that just Capitalism?

Price is a function of Supply:Demand balance.

Are you asking for Socialist price controls? 

Quite so.. No, no socialist crap..  But at the same time,
I don't like flaming screwjobs on people who are in desperate need either..

Tar and feathers are appropriate for that situation.. 

[CptTrips]

Will you please......

Hungry

LoL.  Sorry man.  Consistency can be a pain, I know.

 

[Hungry]

Just purchased a Vortex Spitfire scope for my .556.  Weather breaks I'll mount and sight it.

Which one? looks like they come in different power ranges?  Saw a nice scope this am that had a side lever that took it from 1 - 6x I think? Roughly close up tp 400 yards?  What range (yards) are you going for, or would do most of your shooting at.

Forgive me if its a silly question, still a grasshopper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuoyeNqRI8A

Hungry

Hungry

[Hungry]

LoL.  Sorry man.  Consistency can be a pain, I know.

 

Consistency is one thing lack self restraint is another, I really don't want to get into politics here, please and thankyou

Hungry

[FLS]

As I mentioned before, expensive ammo that's available is better than no ammo available. Raising the price reduces hording. An alternative is reducing the quantity you sell to each customer regardless of how much the customer needs.

If you don't want the expensive ammo, buy the low priced ammo somewhere else. If you can't find any you prove my point. It's not like they bought up all the available ammo and then raised the price, they are just making some available to people who need it enough to pay a premium.

[OldNitro]

Which one? looks like they come in different power ranges?  Saw a nice scope this am that had a side lever that took it from 1 - 6x I think? Roughly close up tp 400 yards?  What range (yards) are you going for, or would do most of your shooting at.

Forgive me if its a silly question, still a grasshopper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuoyeNqRI8A

Hungry

I prefer the 1-6X and 1-8X.. With Mildot reticle..
But if you are not familiar with the Mildot system, the a BDC is also available..
I use a 1-8X Mildot on my primary weapon.. (S&W M&P10)

[Hungry]

I prefer the 1-6X and 1-8X.. With Mildot reticle..
But if you are not familiar with the Mildot system, the a BDC is also available..
I use a 1-8X Mildot on my primary weapon.. (S&W M&P10)

Appreciated

Thanks

Hungry

[Hungry]

As I mentioned before, expensive ammo that's available is better than no ammo available. Raising the price reduces hording. An alternative is reducing the quantity you sell to each customer regardless of how much the customer needs.

If you don't want the expensive ammo, buy the low priced ammo somewhere else. If you can't find any you prove my point. It's not like they bought up all the available ammo and then raised the price, they are just making some available to people who need it enough to pay a premium.

What brand do you consider a decent 556 low priced ammo, for example in the past and the recent order I've used Federal American Eagle or I forget which one a Remington in the 357.  One of the sons used a Frontier in his AR (Hornady?)

Hungry

[CptTrips]

I'd recommend  at least looking at the SWFA scopes.  These guys make scope for the military and the re-sale the same designs commercially.

These scope provide some of the best bang for the buck you can find.  Excellent qualty.  Tough as a rock.

I'd maybe recommend something like a fixed 10x  if you are wanting to shoot to 500 yd.

https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-10x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope-3.html?___SID=U

[Hungry]

I'd recommend  at least looking at the SWFA scopes.  These guys make scope for the military and the re-sale the same designs commercially.

These scope provide some of the best bang for the buck you can find.  Excellent qualty.  Tough as a rock.

I'd maybe recommend something like a fixed 10x  if you are wanting to shoot to 500 yd.

https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-10x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope-3.html?___SID=U

Thanks questions, questions, is 18.7 ounces heavy for an AR or even a 6.8 pound Carbine???? I think the Spitfire one Hajo just bought is around 15?

Or is that what the trade off is Distance for weight?

Hungry

[OldNitro]

What brand do you consider a decent 556 low priced ammo, for example in the past and the recent order I've used Federal American Eagle or I forget which one a Remington in the 357.  One of the sons used a Frontier in his AR (Hornady?)

Hungry

Note: Winchester recently assumed production from Federal/American Eagle at the Lake City facilities.. Things to look for on .556 ammo.. Crimped case mouth, crimped primer pocket, annealed case shoulder, (heat treat is visible) and sealer on the primer.. That is Milspec ammo.. M173 is standard 55gr ball.. M855 has the green tip, has a steel penetrator core..
Hornady/Frontier, PMC, PPU/Pervi Partizan, is good too.. Anything ammo from IMI, is excellent!

Also note that 5.56X45 ammo is higher pressure than .223 ammo..
Use only in rifles chambered for 5.56X45 marked on the barrel..

Steer away from the steel case for SHTF, unless you KNOW your weapon will eat it..
It can be a little jammy in ARs, some will, some won't.. Sticking cases that need to
knocked out = bad news!

[Hungry]

Note: Winchester recently assumed production from Federal/American Eagle at the Lake City facilities.. Things to look for on .556 ammo.. Crimped case mouth, crimped primer pocket, annealed case shoulder, (heat treat is visible) and sealer on the primer.. That is Milspec ammo.. M173 is standard 55gr ball.. M855 has the green tip, has a steel penetrator core..
Hornady/Frontier, PMC, PPU/Pervi Partizan, is good too..

Steer away from the steel case for SHTF, unless you KNOW your weapon will eat it..
It can be a little jammy in ARs, some will, some won't.. Sticking cases that need to
knocked out = bad news!

Thanks man, I'm taking notes!

Hungry

[FLS]

What brand do you consider a decent 556 low priced ammo, for example in the past and the recent order I've used Federal American Eagle or I forget which one a Remington in the 357.  One of the sons used a Frontier in his AR (Hornady?)

Hungry

I haven't been following the market. Any newly manufactured ammo available should work but as you're finding out this is not a good time to buy.

For scopes you want to consider the target type and shooting style as well as the range you'll be shooting at. Rapid shots at large possibly moving targets are different than paper punching at extreme range, hence variable power scopes in various sizes, but glass adds weight too while optical sights are lighter and smaller but less precise at distance.

This leads back to my comment that you want to be clear on the intended use. Do you want an all purpose sport rifle that does everything you need, plinking to self defense? There is a lot of expert opinion online when you decide what you want.

[CptTrips]

Thanks questions, questions, is 18.7 ounces heavy for an AR or even a 6.8 pound Carbine???? I think the Spitfire one Hajo just bought is around 15?

Or is that what the trade off is Distance for weight?

Hungry

I dunno.  Would you notice a 4oz difference on a 7lb gun?

I guess in my mind the more important question is your Philosophy of Use. What is the majority of your use case?
It's hard to optimize for both short-range tactiCool and 500 yd precision simultaneously.  You'd have to make a trade-off one way or the other.

SWFA makes other scopes.  Shorter range tactical I'd lean more to a fixed 6x.  If I was going to want to do a bunch of 500 yd shooting with reasonable precision, I'd want a fixed 10x and mil:mil turrets. 

If I was going to be running around a barricade course doing operator stuff, I'd be more worried about every ounce.
If I was going to be doing a lot of 200-500 yd shooting I wouldn't care because I'd be shooting supported.  My precision shooting is all done prone with bipod and squeeze bag.

Of course with a carbine, precision is relative.   

[Edit]  Since you have mentioned the Predator 6.5 CM, that and a fixed 10x SWFA would make an excellent budget conscious entry level precision rifle/scope combo. 

[Hungry]

Maybe that's why I haven't bought one yet, what's the intended use?

I started with plinking, then getting out there just farther than the sons ar's, plinking and self defense sounds good, maybe I'm really talking two guns here.

Truthfully I don't hunt game, but I do enjoy going to the indoor range a lot and am looking forward to this summer, if things settle down, to going to the outdoor range by the sons house (he's got the IWI AR)

Hmmmmmm

Hungry