Author Topic: Sorry to hear an AH pilot can't read (Read 2577 times)

SmooMonster · « **Reply #45 on:** January 21, 2002, 06:55:41 AM »

No worries guys - you're all obviously a bit insecure about the limitations of your chosen game and have to resort to constructive criticism along the lines of "It Sucks".

To me it's all just a game, not a religion. I was merely offering you an insight into the latest available alternative. You have a choice and the choice doesn't define you.

I guess to you guys, it's different. You have the kneejerk reaction of fundamentalists..."Aaargh - they have an ARCADE mode! Save me! Save me!"

It's funny though - that arcade mode seemed to keep you very happy for three years, Raub. Then I seem to remember you and the rest of LJK threw a bit of dummy spit about the 190 modelling and stormed off here...guess you would have been completely uninterested by the current D9 climb rate then (and the rest of the 190 series modelling)?

(BTW the LF IX now outclimbs the D9 by one second - it's beta, flight models are being refined all the time to get as near historically accurate as possible...my charts simply haven't been updated as quickly.)

Doesn't AH's 109K climb to 5km in 3 minutes 1 sec like ours? It should - that's what it did IRL...

The reason I don't fly in AH is it was more expensive and I prefer country-defined teams and more historical alliances of planes. I didn't find the environment very immersive either. I'm sure if I'd stuck at it, I would have done - but there was already a game I knew and was cheaper and more fun. That's not called getting defensive, that's just telling the truth.

Raub, say hi to Reschke for me. I saw him last week in one of the FA3 beta rooms...he seemed to quite like it, IIRC.

MS created a lot of problems for FA by inhibiting its ability to react to players' demands - that stumbling block has now gone and player-raised issues are dealt with literally within minutes now. Find a bug? It's fixed in the next patch (if it's done that easily). Find a modelling flaw and can substantiate it sufficiently? It's fixed in the next patch.

Additionally, many of the long-time arcade and intermediate fliers are now moving into the full real arenas. Often the full real arenas are now the busiest of all the servers.

Anyway, those who flew FA before will simply find FA3 is an entirely different proposition from the monster MS created.

Take it or leave it (and, yeah, I know what most of you are gonna type...*yawn*).

Oh and PLEASE - as for intruding on your newsgroup, go tell it to your players. We see it all the time - they even turned up at the Town Hall Meeting about FA's Future last year to plug AH!

Am0n · « **Reply #46 on:** January 21, 2002, 07:39:49 AM »

How can any of you look at those graphics and say they are crap? look better than AH to me, but those are just still images.

i'll have to check it out, before i flame you of course.

olddobe · « **Reply #47 on:** January 21, 2002, 07:48:39 AM »

Why bother a perfectly happy bunch of Flight model perfectionist,ganging,whining,foul mouthed sods,with such tripe.
We are here because this is are choice.I have had the pleasure of flying every online sim at one time or another.AH is the best,believe they won the Online Sim award again this year,for the second year in a row.
As I recall FA didn't have any significant features to hold my interest,and the low price seemed to bring in the mentally challenged and demon posessed at a alarming rate.

Dobe

Staga · « **Reply #48 on:** January 21, 2002, 07:49:59 AM »

hmm I tried FA3 Beta few months ago but didn't like it then. Guess I'll download that 260megs file to give it a another try.

Wilbus · « **Reply #49 on:** January 21, 2002, 07:52:48 AM »

Gonna go download it and try it again, tried it a few weeks ago and, sorry to say, it S-U-C-K-E-D. FM was WAY BAD together with teh you have been dammaged 95%, "take 2x50 cal pings anywhere and you will blow up" Dammage modell, now THAT is realsim!

PS. AH has got a G10, not a K, and btw, what K version is it in FA?

SmooMonster · « **Reply #50 on:** January 21, 2002, 08:04:05 AM »

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Originally posted by olddobe
Why bother a perfectly happy bunch of Flight model perfectionist,ganging,whining,foul mouthed sods,with such tripe.

Dobe

I'm genuinely confused here - are you talking about AH players or FA players???

We have the 109K-4, Willbus.

Those planning on downloading the beta should note the online version is still a closed beta and access is by invitation - unless you know someone on it and can *ahem* borrow their login, you won't be able to play online yet. Numbers are also limited by those with the ISP ability to download 260M on a regular basis...

The damage model is currently at its most basic beta level to assess each plane's inherent durability before complicating matters by adding in individual components. No conclusions should be drawn from the current damage modelling, although hopefully it will be more advanced in the next beta version released. It is a work in progress in the closed, closed beta

The beta that was (is?) running on MS zone is no longer representative of FA3 in any way, apart from the plane skins.

The Smoo

Ripsnort · « **Reply #51 on:** January 21, 2002, 08:07:24 AM »

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, for those FA3 shots do nothing in my opinion for me...this does!

SmooMonster · « **Reply #52 on:** January 21, 2002, 08:49:04 AM »

Hmmm - first one looked so nice I thought it was actually an FA3 screenie until I noticed there was no texture mapping on the planes. Ah well.

The second one is bloody awful. What hell is that? It looks like a ship sinking (where's the steam, fire and smoke - you do HAVE steam fire and smoke and air bubbles and waves and ship wakes don't you?), but what is the ugly stuff in the foreground????

And the clouds in the third one are nice too - just like FA3s - but the plane is very boxy...and again no texture mapping.

Thanks, though, they were interesting shots.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #53 on:** January 21, 2002, 08:54:53 AM »

Foreground is looking over the manable 14 Inch gun on the cruiser.

Those clouds ain't just pretty pictures, they are real 3D clouds.

Smoomonster, can you drive a CV in FA?
Can you drive a PT boat and join someone as a gunner in their PT boat? in their Tank? in their Bomber?
Can you fire a 14" gun from a Cruiser?
Can you drive a tank?
Can you jump into a 40mm gun and protect an airfield?
Can you jump into a 16" gun on a shore battery and pummel the ships going by?
Can you strafe trains that are resupplying nearby cities and fields?
How about convoys, got any of those to strafe?

I'd gladly give up texture mapping for these things. To me, Strat, flight model trump out eye candy (and again, eye candy is in the eye of the beholder). If I cared about eye candy, I'd be flying CFS2 all the time.

Wilbus · « **Reply #54 on:** January 21, 2002, 08:57:37 AM »

Will give my grade of FA3 after I tried it, bout 40 minutes left till download it complete. Beta 0.58 the latest one?

Let's hope, for the sake of the FA community that the dammage modell isn't complete, even Aces Over Europe and Red Baron didn't have % dammage.

SmooMonster · « **Reply #55 on:** January 21, 2002, 08:59:10 AM »

No, I just like to have fun flying WWII planes on a PC.

That kinda stuff doesn't come under that heading, but I can understand why some people might want to do that.

I would think those people might enjoy a game like WWIIOnline more though instead of a flight sim where ostensibly people are supposed to have fun flying WWII planes on a PC.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #56 on:** January 21, 2002, 09:02:30 AM »

Well, AH is a flight sim first, all the other stuff is there if you choose or you get alittle bored one day doing the same thing. Choice is good.

Constant updates, new aircraft, customer support where a real person contacts you, "choices", player feedback that is actually implemented into AH...all that rolled up is why most of us is here.

SmooMonster · « **Reply #57 on:** January 21, 2002, 09:07:31 AM »

PS - we have clouds too in various densities and altitudes right up to total overcast and complete whiteout IFR conditions. They're fun.

BTW, you're description of ah...

Constant updates, new aircraft, customer support where a real person contacts you, "choices", player feedback that is actually implemented into AH...all that rolled up is why most of us is here.

...is now exactly what FA is like under the control of VR1. The general public newsgroup is now full of one on one chats with the developers and programmers. Under MS, we envied the likes of AH for that kind of intimacy, now we have it and it does taste good

Ripsnort · « **Reply #58 on:** January 21, 2002, 09:10:57 AM »

Well there you have it, you like Burger King, I like McDonalds. We both enjoy eating hamburgers. All else is meaningless.

Edit: I'll bet HTC is proud to be the state model in which FA3 now runs its business.

K West · « **Reply #59 on:** January 21, 2002, 09:11:49 AM »

"To me it's all just a game, not a religion."

Then why are you preaching here?

Westy