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Offline straffo

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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2002, 07:19:43 AM »
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Straffo, were you fighting my Ta yesterday???

Take care of that "cough" ;)  


Yep :) you were dancing around ...
It was nice to see you working .

I've seen you kill some 4 bishcuits but the only time I was almost in position to be a little dangerous I was engaged by an hightest P51 and had to run away ...

After I run out of fuel and had to push by hand my Yak to park it :D

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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2002, 07:24:18 AM »
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After I run out of fuel and had to push by hand my Yak to park it :D


That reminds me that Yak's endurance is also pretty limited...

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Re: Flying manners
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2002, 08:05:25 AM »
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There are some manners non related to offensive expressions that are not moderated by anything in AH:

1 - Flying N1K2, La7, Spits or Yak is insulting by default.



I still wonder why someone constantly feels the need to whine and comment about dweeb planes, dweeb rides, uberplanes and whatever. Why do you care what the others fly in? It`s not your bussines. You are not paying their accounts. This wacky discussions make me pretty sick.

Btw: those fighters were excellent fighters in real life, did you ever hear about that?  So it`s no miracle when they are good in AH too.

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Re: Re: Flying manners
« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2002, 08:32:06 AM »
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Why do you care what the others fly in?


Why do you care about me killing their chutes?? :D

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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2002, 08:56:05 AM »
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Why do you care about me killing their chutes?? :D



I don`t care what you kill. I just wonder why do you care what others fly.

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« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2002, 09:14:22 AM »
Because in most cases dweeb (forgiving) rides becomes overused to the point that go were you want to go and you will be fighting almost exclusively against Spits, Las and N1KJs all the time.

A sim is not only atractive because it has a lot of flyable planes, also because it has a lot of adversary plane types.

Imagine an offline sim with 50 flyable planes, but you can fight only against spits, La7s and N1KJ2s, boring, right?

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« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2002, 09:33:54 AM »
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PERK LA7 and Yak9-U!!!!:mad:

Part of my stats:

1 Kills of Yak-9U
2 Deaths by Yak-9U

1 Kills of La-7
5 Deaths by La-7



I'm of the opposite opinion. I have little trouble with these types.

4 kills of Yak-9U
0 deaths by Yak-9U

13 kills of La-7
4 deaths by La-7

Nor do I find the Mustang to be a big problem.

20 kills of P-51B/D
8 deaths by P-51B/D

Indeed, the only aircraft I have a poor K/D with is the Me 262. But, that's already perked to the moon. It's hard to kill 262s with the lead-sleds I usually fly (Ki-61, A6M5, SpitV/IX, Hurricane and Yak-9T/U), 'cause they won't slow down and fight with me.... :rolleyes:

0 kills of Me 262
2 deaths by Me 262

Flying the Ki-61, Yak-9T and Hurricane IIC, I have a record of 64 kills, 21 deaths. So, one could argue that these fighters should be perked too. :D

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« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2002, 09:58:06 AM »
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I fact I would say Yak9U is just the dweebiest one.
 


The Yak9U while a good all around plane has several weaknesses which have been mentioned and I won't reiterate.

You should realize that calling someone's ride a dweeb ride is equivalent to calling them a dweeb. If not, consider your self informed. This board is relatively unmoderated and you're free to call anyone or any plane a "dweeb" anytime you want. Just don't imagine your true intent won't be recognized and refuted.

I looked back over the last 8 tours (now this does make me a dweeb) and here's what I found, you vs yak9u:

             kills of Yak9U   -   killed by Yak9U
tour 24                  15   -   1
tour 23                    4   -   2
tour 22                    6   -   1
tour 21                    2   -   0
tour 20                   10  -   7
tour 19                   13  -   2
tour 18                     7  -   2
tour 17                   16  -   3

I still don't see your justification for calling the Yak9U the "dweebiest" plane in AH.
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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2002, 10:11:42 AM »
It is obvious that a dweeb pilot with be dweeb whatever they fly. Dweeb rides may have dweeb pilots or not into them.

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« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2002, 10:15:03 AM »
Man, some of you guys just can't resist complaining about something.

La7, okay, for 4-8 perks I can see that.

Yak9U?!?!?! Well hell, perk the D9 with that then and the 109G10.

You guys would be in tears, or perhaps a mental hospital, if a Yak-3 were introduced here.
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« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2002, 10:17:51 AM »
Who is talking about perks? I'm talking about straffing chutes.

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« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2002, 10:23:29 AM »
Damn it, don't read another post when you reply to one. It just isn't good.

But anyways, I still insist that the 109G10 and 190D9 are just as dweeby as the Yak-9U.

And the Yak3 will give you nightmares Mandoble. :)
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« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2002, 11:00:35 AM »
confirmed dweeb here:D  CATS A FARTIN= < in one ear out the udder>;)

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« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2002, 01:02:08 PM »
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Because in most cases dweeb (forgiving) rides becomes overused to the point that go were you want to go and you will be fighting almost exclusively against Spits, Las and N1KJs all the time.

A sim is not only atractive because it has a lot of flyable planes, also because it has a lot of adversary plane types.

Imagine an offline sim with 50 flyable planes, but you can fight only against spits, La7s and N1KJ2s, boring, right?



There is several basic problems with the unrealistic (in the sense of not being like the real war was, not talking FM or DM here) MA.  Everyone on every side (3 of them to boot) can fly every plane.  People ARE going to gravitate to the easiest to fly, and deadliest planes.

It is highly unlikely that you will get people to voluntarily fly a diversity of planes.  I mean why get your butt kicked in a 202 when you can fly a Dora or a YAK?

 If you are going to furball, and most pilots seem to be located in close proximity if not the middle of, furballs at bases.  (That is until the buffs blast out one of the bases, and then the furball develops elsewhere.)  Why take a Dora for base defense when you can take a Spit or a NIKI?

Yep those "dweeb" planes do recover speed well, but they did in real life.  LW iron didn't.  Maybe it is LW iron that is dweeby???  I believe I read somewheres that the Brits and Yanks took the Krauts out at about 6:1.  Call it what you want, blame pilot quality etc etc.  But some of the difference has got to be in the plane performance.  To send your untrained pilots into combat in planes that are being taken out 6:1 is IMNSHO dweeby as it gets.  Down right criminal to tell the truth.

I think it is not rational to expect people in the MA to perform to your expectations so that you have a nice variety of poor planes to dine on.  I looked at your stats, 340 out of 441 kills this tour so far are in a Dora.  You don't practice what you preach.   You want to fly the hot planes, but the rest of us are dweebs???

You need to be a little more rational.  We are not dweebs, neither are you.  We want to fly what we want to fly just like you. We want to have fun, just like you.  Lighten up, you have a 8:1 k/d, I am lucky if I give as good as I get.  The point is to enjoy yourself my friend, and if you are not, well, maybe you need a break from AH, of need to try another game for a while.  A change is as good as a rest.  :)

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« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2002, 01:46:27 PM »
AKEagle, I'm flying an underused plane, and, in fact, what i consider the hardest plane to fight in and the hardest plane to fly. Fight is fight, not just to climb to 30k and keep at 450 mph all the time waiting for some AFK enemy to cross your gun sight.

Just to check what I already knew I picked up a SpitIX the other day. Believe it or not, but for that online fight test I decide to not use WEP at all except in take off, 75% internal + DT. 2 50" and 2 hispanos. It was "a dream", two 109 (G10 and G2) and another spit were killed with no effort at all in less than 2 minutes. I just imagine these 2 109 and Spit vs my dweeb D9, and well, I would had a very hard time.

About LW not recovering speed well in RL, well, if you want and have time we may work with some technical data, drags and power to weight ratios.

6:1 at the end of the war reprents nothing special, not just due the age and trainning of the pilots, but for the main mission of the LW. At these days LW were not targeting into allied fighters but into allied bombers. Add being massively outnumbered.