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Offline Gunthr

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« Reply #90 on: March 23, 2002, 07:06:39 PM »
Elfenwolf, try this:

"Femwolf!" Oh wow.  that is too much. I'm rolling on the floor over here. WTFG! :D

Tahgut, I'd love to see the look on your face looking down the barrel of that armed robber's rifle. All your namby pamby crap would be draining right down your leg.

C'mon. Get real here, or are you trolling too?

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Admit it, "Femwolf" must have got you laughing. :p

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Must add: I'm not an advocate for people driving around armed all the time. I never made that statement.

I cringe though, at bleeding hearts that sound like they are almost more concerned for the perpetrator than the victim.  If you actually experience what its like to be a VICTIM, as I intended to point out, the world looks quite different.

Did the father do the right thing by picking up his son everynight at the video store closing? Did the father do the right thing by arming himself? Did the father do the right thing when he shot these two armed robbers who put his son's life in peril?  Where's the OUTRAGE at these animals for endangering the life of this boy who was only trying to earn money by working for it?
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« Reply #91 on: March 23, 2002, 07:20:18 PM »
"didn't make the news in AZ"...hell , it didn't make the news in florida where it happened.  i had to read about it in here.

i guess it was an "over sight" by the news media

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« Reply #92 on: March 23, 2002, 07:55:44 PM »
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Elfenwolf, try this:

"Femwolf!" Oh wow.  that is too much. I'm rolling on the floor over here. WTFG! :D

Tahgut, I'd love to see the look on your face looking down the barrel of that armed robber's rifle. All your namby pamby crap would be draining right down your leg.

C'mon. Get real here, or are you trolling too?

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Admit it, "Femwolf" must have got you laughing. :p

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Must add: I'm not an advocate for people driving around armed all the time. I never made that statement.

I cringe though, at bleeding hearts that sound like they are almost more concerned for the perpetrator than the victim.  If you actually experience what its like to be a VICTIM, as I intended to point out, the world looks quite different.

Did the father do the right thing by picking up his son everynight at the video store closing? Did the father do the right thing by arming himself? Did the father do the right thing when he shot these two armed robbers who put his son's life in peril?  Where's the OUTRAGE at these animals for endangering the life of this boy who was only trying to earn money by working for it?


Nah, Gunther, "femwolf" was funny, but "ellenwolf" was funnier. Hey, I laughed at both of them. Originally I started out trolling, but the ability of so many of you to open the book, hear the case and slam the book shut on your judgement has made me look again at this issue.

The result of this is a dead teenager, another  teenager with a gunshot wound to the chest in ICU and a father who will face a lifetime of regret over what has occured rather criminal or civil charges are ever brought against him or not.

 You think this was a good resolution to thwart their attempted heist of what, maybe two hundred bucks?  Once again, all of you here in the hen house do that cluck-cluck-cluck'ing, talk about how empowered you all feel because a "bad guy" got offed and all of you are somehow justified in celebrating a victory for the "good guys" over "evil" and you make statements like "hang him up for seven days" and you know what I think? I think so many of you are scared little white boys swimming in a sea of ignorance that I find laughable. Fuggoff.

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« Reply #93 on: March 23, 2002, 08:54:46 PM »
I think by saying'I hang out with several sheriffs' deputies, state troopers and city cops', one would tend to bet you tape episodes of COPS, and have a scanner in your kitchen.

At least we both found something laughable in the thread, so all good.

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« Reply #94 on: March 23, 2002, 10:52:54 PM »
Wow, an interesting thread for a change.

First, I dont celebrate the death of these young hoodlums, but nor do I mourn them.  I think they got exactly what was coming to them.  They are the ones that made some bad choices, they are responsible for the situation and they paid the price.  No lose to society, and more probably their deaths slightly improved the gene pool.

We could spend years discussing how disadvantaged they might have been, etc.  I won't.  

Someone who lives in Eau Claire WI, if that is his experience in life, has a very limited frame of reference.  I grew up between Gary Indiana and the south side of Chicago.  I know all about violence.
I have had a knife held to my throat, had guns pointed at me, and one of my very best friends was brutally murdered by two young robbers.

I dont celebrate the deaths of two robbers, but I sure as hell dont feel bad about it.  I wouldnt give a damn if all robbers were killed.  

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« Reply #95 on: March 23, 2002, 11:30:25 PM »
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Elfenwolf, try this:

"Femwolf!" Oh wow.  that is too much. I'm rolling on the floor over here. WTFG! :D

Tahgut, I'd love to see the look on your face looking down the barrel of that armed robber's rifle. All your namby pamby crap would be draining right down your leg.

C'mon. Get real here, or are you trolling too?

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Admit it, "Femwolf" must have got you laughing. :p

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Must add: I'm not an advocate for people driving around armed all the time. I never made that statement.

I cringe though, at bleeding hearts that sound like they are almost more concerned for the perpetrator than the victim.  If you actually experience what its like to be a VICTIM, as I intended to point out, the world looks quite different.

Did the father do the right thing by picking up his son everynight at the video store closing? Did the father do the right thing by arming himself? Did the father do the right thing when he shot these two armed robbers who put his son's life in peril?  Where's the OUTRAGE at these animals for endangering the life of this boy who was only trying to earn money by working for it?



Gunther,

Don't try to argue a point with this "person". He obviously takes delight in just being a fecal flinger. Had he just tried to state a position on various threads instead of posting the most outlandish type of trash he could think of he just might get some decent discussion. Fact is he has poisoned the well so many times few want to spend any time responding to him as he hasn't stated anything worth considering. This type of person is just trying to make himself feel good by making others react to him instead of thinking and expressing an argument. Not a nasty name calling thing but a discussion type of discourse. Since he has started off so poorly he just cut himself out of any consideration.

If that bit about "hanging around cops" is from him, I'd find that to be very doubtful unless he is a much different person than he has protrayed here. Real street cops don't waste time with one who is just trying to be a pain in the butt. I think Creamo nailed it on the head.

Kind of curious where this driving around armed thing came from as it wasn't any part of the article I read. Certainly wasn't anything pertinant to the discussion. Guess it is a fantasy thrown in.
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« Reply #96 on: March 24, 2002, 12:46:31 AM »
wouldn't "el femwolf" add a kinda mysterious latin flare to the mocking? tryin to be helpful ;)

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« Reply #97 on: March 24, 2002, 01:08:19 AM »
>are sure that that young man would have continued with his life
>of crime and become human scum.

First, he was already scum.

Second, I am quite sure that now he WON'T continue his life of crime.

Society is one less scumbag better.

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« Reply #98 on: March 24, 2002, 01:17:18 AM »
You can skew his Elfenwolf callsign all you want, the BBS delay where he unplugs the police ban scanner in shame cringing the 'COP groupie' moniker rather than post, and replaces it with Presto Burger Machine, speakes volumes.

(I bet the FryDaddy plug ain't touched in the process, mind you.)

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« Reply #99 on: March 24, 2002, 01:59:22 PM »
I just saw something that makes my opinion even more skewed towards the father here. I hadn't watched the video clip before and was not really clear that the dead suspect was an employee of Blockbuster. Since he worked there that meant he had a significant probability (certainty?) of being recognised. Given that bit of info it was even more likely he would have kiled any witnesses who could have ID'd him. Of course it is uncertain given the lack of some story details such as were they wearing anything that would cover their identities.

The fact that he chose to rob his employer with a weapon leads me to believe he had no regard for the others in the store and was prepared to use the weapon. He placed himself in a poor situation where he would face an increased chance of being identified and convicted if he were recognised by any surviving witness's.
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« Reply #100 on: March 24, 2002, 09:13:25 PM »
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You can skew his Elfenwolf callsign all you want, the BBS delay where he unplugs the police ban scanner in shame cringing the 'COP groupie' moniker rather than post, and replaces it with Presto Burger Machine, speakes volumes.

(I bet the FryDaddy plug ain't touched in the process, mind you.)

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LOL Creamo, you crack me up. Great lines, and believe it or not I appreciate good comebacks as much as the next guy, and when you dish it out as much as I do you have to be willing to take it, so .

Actually I'll be attending the Reno Air Races in Sept. with a CHP buddy of mine. Hope to see you there. And BTW, I have a George Foreman Grilling Machine. Those Presto Burger machines are too cheaply made to keep up with the crow cooking I have to do.

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« Reply #101 on: March 25, 2002, 02:22:02 PM »
Just took the time to read this thread, the new report, and watch the video on the site.  I have come to a few conclusions:

1.  IMO the father took appropriate action.  People seem to forget that his son had a weapon pointed at him.
2.  This incedent could have been avioded altogether if the two teens had not decieded to rob a Blockbuster for $250 and a copy of the Pam and Tommy Lee video.
3.  This incedent only furthers my belief that not only should all states allow law abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons, they should encourage them to do so.


  Regardless of the post-mortum feelings of the shooter, I would rather see two dead/wounded perps then a father and son over a few bucks.  I see alot of intelligent arguments on this thread and alot of not so intelligent ones - but those who are trying to paint the father as a rouge bringer of equal and just force who takes the law into his own hands... you just sicken me.  Had the son and father been shot this would have barely made the news, but somehow more controvery is warrented when the good guys come out on top - kinda scary country we live in, huh?
  As for those who state that they know many LEO's who opposed citizens carrying weapons, I could probably cite the same amount who support it 100% as a supliment and aid to their own duties, so the point is irrelevant.  
  The only grip I have about most carry permit applicants is that in most states, they are not required to take any classroom instruction in the useage of their firearm and the laws surrounding the privlege they now have.  My Penn. CWL took all of 24 hours to get.  Trip to Courthouse, trip to PD, trip to Courthouse... $19 thank you very much have a nice day.  I wish that all states would requre both a combat handgun class AND a class teaching the law with regard to usage of the weapon.
  Either way Im now off course - in my view the father could have bent over and hoped for the best or defended himself and his son - given the situation I belive he took the appropriate action.

(By comparison, here in Pa we had a local who shot his naked, drunk neighbor who was attempting to enter his home 8 times with a 1911 ("Forty-Five" for you weapons challenged people).  3 times in the chest, 2 on the back, 3 in the back of te head.  He was convicted of voluntary manslaughter and sentenced to 20 years in prison.  The guy is a formor Marine and you should have seen the press try and label him as a psychotic war monger... liberals.  The catch it that the neighbor was not armed and was shot on the front step.. not inside the house.  What do you think would have happened had he shot only once?  Perception is altered by details - this seems grusome by comparison, however I have yet to read/see WHERE he shot these kids.  Regardless of the location, its publishing would sway public opinion.  Isnt media fun?

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« Reply #102 on: March 25, 2002, 02:36:50 PM »
Its funny how the anti-gun control side will see anything as an attack. What is also funny is how my posts have been twisted into some kind of bleeding-heart attack on the father.

I have stated repeatedly that the shooting was probably justified.

My problem is with the tone of those posts calling the dead man an animal, less than human, scum, happy he's dead, pulling down the herd, hang him for 7 days (been done), and many others. Especially those of you who claim to be Christian. Which of you is without sin, casting these stones. We have gained nothing but another death through this incident.

And thats MR. NAMBY PAMBY to you!

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« Reply #103 on: March 25, 2002, 02:50:38 PM »
Mr. Namby Pamby, (sorry Tahgut, couldn't resist :) )

You apparently reserve all your empathy for the armed robber.

Not once do you mention the poor victims! (the dad is a victim too)

You wrote: " We have gained nothing but another death through this incident."

Well, who's fault was that?

It sounds like you would feel better about this if the perpetrator had killed the kid.




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« Reply #104 on: March 25, 2002, 02:52:34 PM »
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We have gained nothing but another death through this incident.


Not really, population control took 1, almost 2 steps forward.