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« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2002, 11:03:23 PM »
Yes to all points made so far. The P-47M would be an excellent addition to the AH planeset.
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« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2002, 11:41:12 PM »
Ammo do you get somekind of wierd satisfaction when you're trying to waste a good  topic like this?
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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2002, 11:48:56 PM »
Perked of course....

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« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2002, 03:06:14 AM »
estoy de acuerdo en agregar todo tipo de aviones a AH, seria fantastico, se podria hacer enonces un excelente RPS tanto de cazas, como bombarderos o tanques o .... cualquier otro medio de combate que se nos ocurra y que realmente existiese en la WWII, pero debe hacerse con cierto criterio imparcial.
Cuando se pide un determinado tipo de avion, debe tenerse en cuenta que papel jugo en la WWII o por lo menos, cuantas unidades intervinieron en dicho conflicto, he visto a veces pedir la inclusion en AH del G55, pero, cuantos aviones entraron en produccion? 15? 20? tal vez 40? no es suficiente, no debebmos dejarnos llevar por gusto particulares, yo pediria el DO335, otros el HE 162, otros el P 80, pero estos aparatos no representaron nada, absolutamente nada en la WWII, incluso otros, que fueron construidos en gran cantidad en los meses finales de la Guerra como el P51H o el P47M/N no llegaron a estar operativos en numero suficiente o no entraron en combate antes del fin de las hostilidades, por lo menos, no en Europa.
Propongo los siguientes criterios para poder añadir aviones a AH (a menos que AH no sea un simulador exclusivo del periodo Septiembre de 1939 a Agosto de 1945, y continue hasta la guerra de Corea o Vietnam, o Afgansitan).

Nº de unidades que entraron en combate (minimo 400)
Si, el numero de unidades entradas en combate no fuesen suficientes, pero sin embargo, dicho avion represento de alguna manera una filosofia de la epoca, o una ruptura de las ideas sobre el concepto de la lucha en el aire. Como ejemplos, bien podrian servir los Gloster Glatiator, El Buffalo F2F o el Fairey SWORDFISH.

Creo que la inclusion, basandonos en estos metodos de aviones como el K4, Spit XIV, o G14 (entre otros muchos) estaria justificado, asi como el uso de MW50 y/o GM1 en otros aviones, pero diganme de corazon, realmente, que harian aviones como el P80, DO335 o Spitfire XXI en AH?.

P.D.: Todos los 109 llevaban Trim adjustan en los elevadores, pero de distinta manera que en los aviones de otros paises, en el 109 no habia parte movil en la superficiel movil del elevador, sino que, toda la superficie del elevador, movil o no, se ajustaba desde el interior de la cabina.

Un saludo

Supongo

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« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2002, 03:09:52 AM »
K-4 would be a great counter balance for Spit XIV. I would agree to have it perked.

Spit XIV is a superb plane if flown right... which of cource most spit dweebs cannot comprehend in their turning frenzy. You AMI and Spit whiners, please go to some other thread.


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« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2002, 03:39:30 AM »
If ya think teh Spit 14 is bad you're doing something wrong.

Add the K4!
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Uhh, SUPONGO........
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2002, 03:53:00 AM »
Had a helluva time translating your post there.......

Not a bad idea on the surface, but how many planes in AH would be excluded using your idea?  For sure the Ta152 would be, likely the N1K2J and several others if we used the 400 units produced criteria.

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« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2002, 04:25:18 AM »
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Originally posted by Kweassa

 Why in the hell is the Spit14 'crap' :confused: ?


Didn't you all noticed it already? Isn't it clear enough that all this 'Spit 14 is crap' is just a huge all-spit driver's conspiracy to lure HT to make Spit XIV cheaper or perk free ride? We must not let that happen! ;)  :D :p

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« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2002, 05:18:34 AM »
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Supo, en AH no hay forma de controlar el uso de los aviones para emular a la 2GM. Podrías tener la MA llena de C202 o flaks, y, si bien esto es historicamente incorrecto, en AH es perfectamente viable incluso teniendo activado un RPS. Es decir, el numero de unidades fabricadas no deber representar un obstaculo para el desarrollo de nuevos aviones.


(barbarian lenguage ;) )
Supo, in AH there is no way to control the plane usage to emulate the numbers present during WWII, that is, we may have the MA full of C202 or Flaks and while this would be historically incorrect even with an active RPS, here is perfectly viable. So, the magnufactured units should not be an obstacle for new plane developments.

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« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2002, 05:28:11 AM »
Eso, tu traduce y calla melona :D

saludos

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« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2002, 10:38:51 AM »
I have all the help I need, thx.

Just practicing my thread hijack capabilities. I shall do this frequently.
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« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2002, 10:58:03 AM »
So you try to ruin threads like this just for fun ?

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« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2002, 11:09:44 AM »
Not ruin, add spice.  Dont make it anything more than it is.  I am sorry if I have hurt your or anyone elses feelings.

Do you guys really think that HTC should spend their valueable time creating a sixth 109?  It is already the most representated  model in AH.  I dont know if they will but it doesnt seem logical to me.

And whoever is saying that the spit14 is undermodeled or not worth the price...I dont agree with that at all. That thing is a beast.
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« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2002, 11:32:12 AM »
Look I think its fairly obvious here that ANY aircraft that challenges the superiority of the P51D in AH is perked.

The spit 14 is ONLY 11mph faster than the P51D and it costs 60 perks!
the tempest is 1 MPH SLOWER than the p51D and it costs 60 perks
the F4U-4 is 9MPH faster than the P51D and it costs 60 perks
the Ta-152 is 35MPH faster than the P51D and it costs 30 perks(although this is at 41k!)

although climbing/manouverability/firepower comes into it too  we have a basic pattern here that obvious.
HTC want the P51D to be the top plane that is perk free.

so the 109K4 at 451MPH will be 15mph faster so expect a minimum of 60 perks.

at this price it will be popular for the first tour its introduced,then as people lose more and more perks it will ,like the other perk rides , become a barely used novelty.

Personally i think the MA needs a lot more non perked aircraft.So we are looking at any aircraft that is SUB 436MPH as we can plainly see the P51D HAS to keep its crown.sad but true.

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« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2002, 11:38:21 AM »
I agree with Ammo thing is the turning dweebs are accostumed to   pull the stick to the crotch tricks and don't use their plane properly.