Author Topic: Looney Left Strikes Again (Read 1342 times)

OZkansas · « **Reply #45 on:** June 26, 2002, 10:37:39 PM »

ispar said:"Certainly, many of our laws are on the same wavelength as those in the Ten Commandments, but that's simply because several of them really just amount to a universal moral code - be nice to others, don't kill, etc. etc. It's a general code by which you can be decent to others, and exists across all religions, and none."

Where did this "universal moral code" come from???

If there were a universal moral code then animals wouldn't prey on each other. We are animals as we prey on each other. We have laws to control our animal instincts. God gave man the Ten Commandments as man needs to be given limits.

Now back to the subject: please propose a law that will not be unconstitutionial. Lets make it easy, how about one to limit murder?

Please propose a law that would make murder unlawful. Then we will take a look at it to see if it is constitutiontial.

As it stands now murder is lawful if the state can't use religion (Jewish law given by God to Moses) to base law.

There are going to be unintended consequences to today's ruling by these "judges"!!

I believe that Congress passed a law that allowed the use of God in the pledge. Why are these judges over ruling the American people who duly elected these representatives to allow God into the pledge?

This is creating law from the bench. Judges are to interpertate the law not legislate law, right?

Sandman · « **Reply #46 on:** June 26, 2002, 10:39:28 PM »

LOL... what amazingly flawed logic.

OZkansas · « **Reply #47 on:** June 26, 2002, 10:54:20 PM »

That's your only responce?

Figures, how about the challege to create a consitiutionial law to stop murder?

I fully expect your side of the argument to degenerate into name calling:)

What do you think of the possibility of unintended consequences of today's ruling?

Tumor · « **Reply #48 on:** June 26, 2002, 10:54:50 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d

So I am a moron for not wanting my child to profane the solemn patriotc ceremony with a LIE?

miko

Doesn't make sense. Even when I was in 1st (71) grade nobody was FORCED to say the pledge of allegience. Kids who didn't want to or weren't "supposed" to (two in my class) were given the choice of sitting quietly or going out in the hall. Big deal. And for those people who're afraid of scarring thier children for life because they aren't part of the crowd, thats a decision to be made isn't it?... how about home schooling?

I'm just wondering when they'll make saying the pledge of allegience illegal. It's coming.. you watch.

Sandman · « **Reply #49 on:** June 26, 2002, 10:56:53 PM »

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Originally posted by OZkansas
I fully expect your side of the argument to degenerate into name calling:)

Not from me, you won't. It's not my style.

hblair · « **Reply #50 on:** June 26, 2002, 11:04:51 PM »

Miko, I respect you not wanting to lie to your children.

OZkansas · « **Reply #51 on:** June 26, 2002, 11:05:27 PM »

I really want to know if you think there will be unintended consequences to today's ruling. I've outlined the possibility that everyone in prision has a basis for a new trial as the argument could be based on the ruling of separation of church and state. Our laws are based on the bible. It has been determined that if the law is based on Jewish law, the Ten Commandments, then how could you not allow a new trial?

What do you think?

Sandman · « **Reply #52 on:** June 26, 2002, 11:07:32 PM »

Actually, our laws aren't based on the bible. Certainly, there are some parallels, but the legislative branch hasn't simply re-written scripture to suit legal issues.

Believe it or not, there were civilizations on this planet even before the bible and those civilizations even had laws.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #53 on:** June 26, 2002, 11:11:58 PM »

"Thou shalt not kill" is very simmilar to "Murder is illegal". Now that may not be a direct connection but it's pretty close. So just to be safe lets ban it.

Here's an idea!

Get the two judges to ban "Murder is illegal", then have the two judges shot while murder is legal.

What an elegant solution.

Thrawn · « **Reply #54 on:** June 26, 2002, 11:28:17 PM »

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Originally posted by OZkansas
Our laws are based on the bible.

SOME of your laws may be also found in SOME of the bible. This however doesn't amount to squat. Because it doesn't mean that ALL of your LAWS are, in fact, based on the bible. You would still have to prove causation anyway.

OZkansas · « **Reply #55 on:** June 26, 2002, 11:37:10 PM »

Sandman_SBM said:”Actually, our laws aren't based on the bible. Certainly, there are some parallels, but the legislative branch hasn't simply re-written scripture to suit legal issues.”

Would you agree that the people who wrote our laws were Christians and Jews? If it is true that these people’s lives had religion as part of their lives then we can only conclude that the Bible had influence on the law they produced.

Sandman_SBM said:
“Believe it or not, there were civilizations on this planet even before the bible and those civilizations even had laws.”

Yes and these laws were based on gods! Yes, the people who declared the laws also claimed to be the gods!!!! How about that for church and state thingie heheeeeeee

Sandman · « **Reply #56 on:** June 26, 2002, 11:40:29 PM »

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Originally posted by OZkansas
Sandman_SBM said:”Actually, our laws aren't based on the bible. Certainly, there are some parallels, but the legislative branch hasn't simply re-written scripture to suit legal issues.”

Would you agree that the people who wrote our laws were Christians and Jews? If it is true that these people’s lives had religion as part of their lives then we can only conclude that the Bible had influence on the law they produced.

No. I wouldn't necessarily agree.

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Sandman_SBM said:
“Believe it or not, there were civilizations on this planet even before the bible and those civilizations even had laws.”

Yes and these laws were based on gods! Yes, the people who declared the laws also claimed to be the gods!!!! How about that for church and state thingie heheeeeeee

Laws were based on gods? I guess god said it was okay for us white folk to own black people, but we changed that law because god said it's wasn't okay anymore. Right?

Thrawn · « **Reply #57 on:** June 26, 2002, 11:42:40 PM »

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Originally posted by OZkansas
Would you agree that the people who wrote our laws were Christians and Jews? If it is true that these people’s lives had religion as part of their lives then we can only conclude that the Bible had influence on the law they produced.

Have all the US representatives been christian or jewish?

OZkansas · « **Reply #58 on:** June 27, 2002, 12:33:23 AM »

Sandman_SBM said: “Laws were based on gods? I guess god said it was okay for us white folk to own black people, but we changed that law because god said it's wasn't okay anymore. Right?”

Yes, laws were handed down by men who proclaimed themselves as gods before God gave us the Ten Commandments.

Hmmmmm, you will need to help me here understand your statement regarding whit folk and black folk. I am of limited understanding of God so you will need to elaborate God’s position regarding white folk owning black folk.

Sandman_SBM said:
“No. I wouldn't necessarily agree.”

Hmmmmmm, what part do you agree with and what part don’t you agree with?

BTW have you come up with a law that would be constitutional to prohibit murder?

Has anyone thought of a law that would be constitutional to prohibit murder? He heeeeeeee judge OZ awaits

majic · « **Reply #59 on:** June 27, 2002, 05:33:03 AM »

"Has anyone thought of a law that would be constitutional to prohibit murder? "

Well, not a law, but a perspective: That laws against murder are based upon the inaliable(sp?) rights "Life , Liberty, etc...

My whole problem with all of this is that mainstream religion is being villified everywhere by people carrying the banner of "Seperation of church and state" with the eventual goal of cleansing all religion from public view.

I am not strongly religious, and I believe in evolution (as opposed to strict Creationism.) Yet I was raised Catholic and had to say the pledge every morning at school. Somehow, I came to these conclusions all on my own with all these "evil" influences around. Whatever happened to a little mental toughness?

The government has not forced any religion on me. I am not required to go to church. IMO, the Constitution never meant to cleanse the government of religious influence, just to keep it from forcing a specific religion on the people.