Author Topic: More reparation nonsense (Read 3341 times)

Leslie · « **Reply #45 on:** August 18, 2002, 11:57:01 PM »

After the Civil War, or the Second American Revolution, as we call it down South, the Union was formed and our Constitution was amended to make secession illegal. By following this line of thought, it would be unconstitutional to form a separate nation in the US. It was already tried by the Confederacy in 1861, the results of which formed one strong nation under God.

At this time, the United States did in fact establish what Farrahkan, et al, are asking for now in the African country of Liberia, so named after Liberty. This was done by way of reparations, so the former slaves could begin a new life and have their own country. This territory was, unlike the barren land deal the Indians got, prime farming land with a decent climate...a good place to live. Government agents from the US made every effort to ensure a high quality of life for the newly established country of Liberia.

Former slaves who remained here, did so because they wanted to, thus becoming Americans. It was their decision to remain, and I believe they made the right decision to do so. It was a courageous decision for them because of the segregation which we all know about. OTOH, they probably stayed because they liked it here, and who can blame 'em? At least in the South, it's a shame the contributions these Americans made are not more emphasized, because they contributed much to our way of life as it is today. The resentment of the past is based on very complex issues of the Reconstruction period, some of which were perceived by conquered Southerners as punitive measures fomented by the Yankees; f.g. placing "liberated" Negro slaves as high city officials, in the case of Mobile. That action was imo a disservice to the slaves, as they did not have the education to carry out a job like that. It was insulting to ALL Southerners, black and white, and was probably the start of serious racism in the South. Even if race wasn't an issue in this case, the people would be howling mad about their city not being attended to "getting back on its feet" after a terrible war.

Well, thanks for bearing with me with how I feel we are all Americans living here in the US.

Les

Toad · « **Reply #46 on:** August 19, 2002, 12:06:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
At this time, the United States did in fact establish what Farrahkan, et al, are asking for now in the African country of Liberia, so named after Liberty. This was done by way of reparations,
Les

Now let's stick to the historical facts on Liberia.

History Of Liberia: A Time Line

"1822 - April 25 - The survivors of Sherbro Island arrived at Cape Mesurado and began to build their settlement. With the wavering consent of the new immigrants, the American Colonization Society governed the colony through its representative. ".......

....1865- 346 immigrants from Barbados joined the small number of African Americans coming to Liberia after the American Civil War. With overseas immigration slowing to a trickle, the Americo-Liberians (as the settlers and their descendents were starting to be called) depended on immigrants from nearby regions of Africa to increase the republic's population. The Americo-Liberians formed an elite and perpetuated a double-tiered social structure in which local African peoples could not achieve full participation in the nation's social, civic, and political life. The Americo-Liberians replicated many of the exclusions and social differentiations that had so limited their own lives in the United States. "

Might as well keep our facts straight.

Sandman · « **Reply #47 on:** August 19, 2002, 12:23:11 AM »

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=1098

I'm still trying to figure out which side Horowitz is on... right or left...

He seems to make sense quite often, IMHO.

Leslie · « **Reply #48 on:** August 19, 2002, 01:02:35 AM »

Thanks for the link Toad. I read enough to realise this project was not spur of the moment thinking, it's idea going back to 1814. Obviously, the project was ambitious, but failed to achieve the goal of starting a prosperous American friendly country in Africa.

Just from scanning through the link you provided, (which I have bookmarked), that region is in bad shape today, as is most of Africa. We don't hear much about what goes on there from the news media.

Louis Farrakan and his core supporters should be taken seriously. In my opinion, these are traitors to this country, and make a mockery of all we stand for. The timing is right... for them.

Les

-tronski- · « **Reply #49 on:** August 19, 2002, 07:21:04 AM »

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No currently living American has personally suffered the ill effects of slavery, no currently living American has ever owned a slave and the majority of slave importation took place over 250 years ago, what's going on here?

The civil war could only be a great grandfather away for some people, and the U.S. Supreme Court only banned segregation in public schools in 1954.

While my Grandfather was catching a lift in a lancaster over the Reich, Black servicemen were serving in segregated units.

Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered two years before I was born.... we're not talking ancient history here.

Hortlund · « **Reply #50 on:** August 19, 2002, 07:22:30 AM »

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the U.S. Supreme Court only banned segregation in public schools in 1954.

While my Grandfather was catching a lift in a lancaster over the Reich, Black servicemen were serving in segregated units.

Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered two years before I was born.... we're not talking ancient history here.

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and that would be related to slavery ...how?

Seeker · « **Reply #51 on:** August 19, 2002, 07:30:24 AM »

Hortland;

how has Sweden accomodated the Laps? What special arrangements; if any; do they have to pursue their lifestyle; and how does that affect the average Swede?

Any Norwegian or Finnish posters have a perspective?

-tronski- · « **Reply #52 on:** August 19, 2002, 07:34:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
and that would be related to slavery ...how?

ullo, ullo anybody home...think McFly..think

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we're not talking ancient history here.

Tronsky

Hortlund · « **Reply #53 on:** August 19, 2002, 07:53:54 AM »

So lets see, slavery ended in 1865?

Martin Luther King lived when?

The supreme court desicion came when?

Black servicemen were serving in segregated units when?

The reparations demands are about compensation for slavery yes?

So how is that related?

Hortlund · « **Reply #54 on:** August 19, 2002, 07:56:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Seeker
Hortland;

how has Sweden accomodated the Laps? What special arrangements; if any; do they have to pursue their lifestyle; and how does that affect the average Swede?

Any Norwegian or Finnish posters have a perspective?

I have NO idea. I know they have their own "parliament" and I know that they hold their own elections. I also know that there are several laws in place to protect their right to roam the mountains with their raindeer flocks.

The laplanders does not affect the average Swede at all. When I was in the military I met some (since I was stationed up there north of the arcic circle), but they mostly keep to themselves.

Thrawn · « **Reply #55 on:** August 19, 2002, 08:39:19 AM »

20 white guys argee, black americans should not get reperations.

The best is Hortlund though. White Swede, at one with the african-american way of life.

And Kieran, you got your land, it's called a reservation.

-tronski- · « **Reply #56 on:** August 19, 2002, 08:40:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
So lets see, slavery ended in 1865?

Martin Luther King lived when?

The supreme court desicion came when?

Black servicemen were serving in segregated units when?

The reparations demands are about compensation for slavery yes?

So how is that related?

Black servicemen were serving in segregated units from the civil war till the Korean War (ie the Massachusetts 54th Volunteer Regiment, the Tuskee Airmen, 561st Tank Battalion)

Manpower and Segregation in the US Army in WW2

Buffalo soldiers

Dr King 1929-1968

The supreme court desicion came in 1954

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The reparations demands are about compensation for slavery yes?

Slavery and segregation are intertwined.

From the 1880s into the 1960s, a majority of American states enforced segregation through "Jim Crow" laws.

Examples of Jim Crow laws

The History of Jim Crow

Tronsky

lazs2 · « **Reply #57 on:** August 19, 2002, 08:49:38 AM »

We should send em back to africa where black people treat each other with dignity and respect. I agree that they will never be treated as equals in mean ol U.S.A. But then... I couldn't care less what happens to em.

When my grandfater came here from scotland he got to work in a coal mine for 14 hours a day and paid in co. script of which he allways "owed" a balance at the co. store. The did let him have a little shack close to the mines tho.
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** August 19, 2002, 08:52:33 AM »

no thrawn.... the "best" is some limey and ozzy telling Americans what they ought to do...

I was around the south during "colored section" and "colored fountains"... It woulda died a natural death in any case.
lazs

Thrawn · « **Reply #59 on:** August 19, 2002, 08:58:41 AM »

"I was around the south during "colored section" and "colored fountains"... It woulda died a natural death in any case. "

You have no idea if it would have died a natural death or not. That's just a guess.