Author Topic: P47, P51, P38...the German view...... (Read 14226 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #120 on:** September 24, 2002, 03:21:35 PM »

Shooting of POW is unacceptable to me just the same as shooting pilots in parachutes.

Did I just agree with montezuma in some way?

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #121 on:** September 24, 2002, 03:31:14 PM »

LOL Wable hazed ur so typical

a luft whiner

i hope u lose all selfcontrol now, the more fun it is
btw that punt only fits wabble asses

yeah i like to attack ignorant arrogant people

i love it

CMC Airboss · « **Reply #122 on:** September 24, 2002, 04:48:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Robin Olds, 2 Fw 190s while alone in enemy territory (gun camera film confirms two destroyed).
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Originally posted by akak
My squadron is in regular contact with the surviving members of the 479th FG and I'm sure we can get some first hand accounts Gen. Olds about that flight.
Ack-Ack
479th FG

I arranged for and brought Gen. Olds to Seattle to speak for the Air Warrior Conference in Seattle last year (2001). He recounted this engagement during his talk.

He spotted the two FW-190's below him after becoming seperated from his flight. They were on a crossing heading, very close to the ground at high cruising speed. He dove down and with the extra speed crept up behind and below the two airplanes, shooting down the wingman first. Gen. Olds did not recount a "dogfight." It sounded like a classic and unseen bounce. The confirmation of the kills was not made using the gun camera film. Other US pilots, in P-47's that were high over the engagement, made an after action report that detailed a single P-38 diving on and destroying two FW-190's. Flying alone, Gen. Olds did not expect to receive credit for the two kills, but reported them anyway. Those were his first.

MiG

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #123 on:** September 24, 2002, 04:53:53 PM »

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I arranged for and brought Gen. Olds to Seattle to speak for the Air Warrior Conference in Seattle last year (2001). He recounted this engagement during his talk.

It can't be true coz ubergoddes Galland said so

Wotan · « **Reply #124 on:** September 24, 2002, 04:58:41 PM »

no it cant be true the way virgil and akak stated it. As it turns out they were not right.

With 47s above him and in position to see and verify his account then it seems to me those 2 fws were "outnumbered". Atleast by their definition (even though 47s didnt attack).

hazed- · « **Reply #125 on:** September 24, 2002, 05:02:28 PM »

Bug go fly your pram (P38) eh?

ahhhh its a realshame HTC didnt have time to add the training wheels on the side of the p38 3d model, no worries, we all know they're there eh

you keep using these witty names

........ you almost made the sides of our mouths twitch into a smile with those hilarious jibes of yours!

dunno how you do it , making up those clever words like lufftwhiner'!! how you cleverly mixed 'luftwaffe' with 'whiner' and came up with that we will never know!! Incredible! we cant hope to ever be so clever and witty ourselves!!

ah whats that? you didnt make it up but instead cleverly repeat it over and over for years!! oh amazing!! what a wit you are.

ass

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #126 on:** September 24, 2002, 05:32:38 PM »

flew the 190 a few time every litle snap shot nme planes explodes it's to easy

Loser

DeadDuck · « **Reply #127 on:** September 24, 2002, 06:16:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
With 47s above him and in position to see and verify his account then it seems to me those 2 fws were "outnumbered". Atleast by their definition (even though 47s didnt attack).

I think my mind just blew a fuse.

2 LW fliers who clearly were so clueless that they were snuck up on, yet somehow manage to be killed by the umpteen zillion planes not engaged? Or is "carelessness" a new synonym for "outnumbered"?

DD

Wotan · « **Reply #128 on:** September 24, 2002, 06:30:27 PM »

do some reading most fighter kills were done by an un seen attacker. Nothing new here. Happened to all sides and all front.

Still virgil and akak were wrong in their accounting.

My point about being outnumbered is the point virgil made that since there were 60 lw in an area that meant the 38 pilots were "out numbered". When the facts are most of hose lw were ordered to attack the bombers and avoid the escorts.

So if he can have that way so can I. See how that works?

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Also why is it you think by calling some lw pilot stupid or by saying the lw in ww2 sucked will bother me? Insulting the "lw" doesnt phase me a bit.

I am not like you allied whiners who take personnal offense when some contradicts your "stories".

Or why is it you all throw out the "your a nazi" (implied or out right stated) when some disagress with your version. Not only do take personal offense to some else opinion you all respond with out right personal attacks and name calling. Seems pretty weak and pathetic.

Just my 2 cents.

Onething, if you get to the point of blowing your top (or fuse) over something you read on an internet bbs maybe you need a vacation, or a pill or something.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #129 on:** September 24, 2002, 07:09:30 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
"See Grunherz? I told you I'd call you out on your ignorance, arrogance, and your complete lack of reading and comprehension skills."

So I see all you can throw around are insults and BS. I dont even sense one bit of humor in it like when most others post the same way. You're pathetic....

Well, Grunherz, when you start the insults by calling me a hypocrite, don't be surprised when the favor is returned. Funny, you start hurling insults, and I'm the one who is pathetic. Typical of your B.S. arguements.

If there had been humor in your posts, I'd have responded in kind. There was no humor evident in your posts, hence, there was none in mine.

I can throw facts too, unfortunately facts are wasted on you, as is common sense and reason. The plain fact is that Wotan, one of your Luftwaffe buddies, was the one who told me I was proving nothing, so I responded in kind.

I'm not much for insults, and name calling, but if you really want it that way, I can oblige, so long as I find it entertaining. However, the level around here is too low to hold my attention for long.

If you prefer to argue facts, history, and common sense, by all means do so. It would be a welcome change, and I enjoy such discussions.

Tac · « **Reply #130 on:** September 24, 2002, 11:05:51 PM »

here's a different perspective:

The 109 Suxs
The 190 Suxs
The Spitfire Suxs
Any other plane barring the P-40 and P-38 suxs.

The reason: I suck in them.

BWAHAHAHAHAH.

And in any case, back on flametopic you must also remember that the 2 squadrons of 38's active at the time before the pony came into play were not only composed of green pilots (with a vet or 2 thrown in) and facing lots of mechanical trouble AND flying over enemy territory AND limited to close escort AND were very spread out as WideWing stated.....

AND yet they managed a + kill ratio facing overwhelming odds.

Talk to me goose!

Glasses · « **Reply #131 on:** September 25, 2002, 12:25:49 AM »

Bug332: "Mein Fasher putsh my vingie in she Pshitteight and in gooooooold".

Rasker · « **Reply #132 on:** September 25, 2002, 01:46:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Shiva

IIRC, the Typhoon was taken out of service for a period during the BoB because its planform was similar enough to the FW-190 that British gunners were shooting at them. I'm not surprised that a group of American pilots might mistake a Typhoon for a Butcherbird in the heat of a dogfight, especially if they were recently-arrived.

bzzttt!!! no Tiffies flying during the BoB, while a few 190's were flying, then, dont think they entered combat until Dieppe raid in 1942.

Wilbus · « **Reply #133 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:55:01 AM »

There was never any 190's flying during BoB either.

190 A1 didn't see action untill 1941 after BoB.

funkedup · « **Reply #134 on:** September 25, 2002, 05:10:41 AM »

Is there a full moon or something? This is one of the most retarded threads in history.