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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2002, 04:25:42 PM »
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Who is physically forcing the child to do anything. Natural consequences for thier actions. Child is freaking out a Jimmy's house. Fine, no playing at Jimmy's for a week. Child didn't wear a helmet will while biking. No access to the bike for 3 days.


How are you going to keep the kid from going to Jimmy's? How are you going to keep the kid off the bike?

That's what I thought- you are using physical force to effect your will, just like I said.

I would be willing to spank my child to keep her off the bike and keep her in the house if she were silly enough to defy me and try it anyway. What are you willing to do if your child ignores you and does the same? You never seem to quite get to that part... I hear the generalities of your point, but not the specifics.

Just how do you make an incorrigible child do anything he/she refuses to do? No dodges now, no saying "I'd take this away, or I wouldn't let them do that". I mean in the example I gave you originally, what do you do when the child refuses to give up the toy?

Now I may seem to be dogging you, but in reality that is not my intent. I do however see a great deal of either hypocracy or naivety in the anti-spank viewpoint. To take the stance that spanking makes it impossible for someone to develop a respect for authority and right or wrong is a load of hooey.

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« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2002, 04:42:50 PM »
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Originally posted by Kanth
As long as people are free to just have kids/pets willy nilly you will find that there will be murders, torture, rape etc.. and in some cases people will never know the young person existed.

 I think parents should have to go to training and receive a license and have an active counselor, there should be random audits in order to have kids or pets.

people suck and can't be trusted, especially for long periods of time with the helpless.




And I think I should be the counselor:}

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« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2002, 07:09:30 PM »
Elf, you just made my day... that was some funny toejam! :)

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« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2002, 10:09:45 PM »
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Evidently the mother wasn't hitting the child as hard as it appeared on the tape as the child has been examined and it is reported there are no apparent injuries including bruises. Of course there could be internal injuries and further examination is being conducted.  -AKIron


I saw the video once a few days back but haven't heard anything since.  From what I could see, it only looked to me like open-handed smacks unlike what a few here are saying are closed fist hits.  Also, when in her car, I couldn't see if she was actually even striking the kid or maybe smacking a car-seat or something to create a lot of noise.  I could tell the woman was very, very upset at the child and one of my beliefs is to try to never dole out a punishment when angry.  Anyway, what you type above makes me think maybe some of what people are seeing is coming from their imagination a little bit.  Bruises do not go away in a day or two.  But only if what you type above is true.

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« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2002, 11:45:00 PM »
So now she wasn't hitting hard enough for it to be abuse?

Some of you people diddlyin' amaze me.

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« Reply #50 on: September 23, 2002, 01:35:30 AM »
saw in the paper where the lady turned herself in.

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« Reply #51 on: September 23, 2002, 02:23:17 AM »
So Kratzer, when your wife slaps you on the hand when you try to steal some freshly baked cookies on top of the oven, you sue her for abuse?

If she would punch you in the face and knock out a tooth or two, I'd understand that. Not a slap on the hand.

Do you allow any other kind of physical touch in your family? Just a thought :)

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« Reply #52 on: September 23, 2002, 09:26:45 AM »
I can see it now in some of your houses.

6 yr old Timmy takes a ball from 5 yr old Sally.

Dad: Timmy give the ball back to Sally.

Timmy:No!

Dad: Timmy PLEASE give her the ball back.

Timmy:NO!!

Dad:Timmy giver her th ball back or you will be punished.

Timmy: F'ck off!

Sally:Kick his bellybutton you popsicle!

Dad: Sally please don't cuss.

Sally: Eat me you old fart!

Dad: Timmy give her the ball back now or you will REALLY be in trouble.

Timmy:(laughing) Oh no I'm gonna have a "time out".

Dad: OK that's it! Timmy I hate to do this but since you won't mind me....."I'm not proud of you right now".

Dad:  I'm sorry I had to be so mean to you...can you forgive me?

Timmy and Sally: What a popsicle!

Timmy: Here Sally you can have the ball back I'm done with it.

Dad: There that wasn't so bad was it Timmy? Thanks for doing the right thing.

Timmy: Hey Sally you wanna go next door and kill the neighbors cat?

Sally: Sure! we can pretend it's Dad!

Dad to Mom: See Dear our kids are perfect angels!

Mom: F'ck off! I gotta go I have a date!
I have been reborn a new man!

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« Reply #53 on: September 23, 2002, 09:40:42 AM »
here is my version (a bit shorter :D)
6 yr old Timmy takes a ball from 5 yr old Sally.

Dad: Timmy give the ball back to Sally.

Timmy:No!

Dad: Timmy PLEASE give her the ball back.

Timmy:NO!!

Dad:Timmy giver her th ball back or you will be punished.

Timmy: F'ck off!



hehe ;)

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« Reply #54 on: September 23, 2002, 10:11:05 AM »
Hussein, you saw the video.  If you think there is some justification for what she did...  I can only assume you are trying to justify some action of your own.

Regardless of what any of us think of corporal punishment, that wasn't it...

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« Reply #55 on: September 23, 2002, 10:11:19 AM »
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Ahhh... I mistook your meaning (I think).  I spank too... 3 boys here.  8/12/17.  My wife never spanked... they respect her but they also ignore her whenever it's convenient (ie: chores).  When Dad speaks... kiddies listen.  And truthfully, I don't give a toejam about thier "individuality" or "right to free space" or other some such nonsense.  My household is not a democracy.  I am the supreme ruler and what I say goes, it's my way or the highway (or the rod) if necessary, ... unless of course the wife says differen't :)

Don't care what people think about MY choice and method to disciplin MY children how ~I~ see fit.

Tumor


Agreed....only one alpha male in my home:)

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« Reply #56 on: September 23, 2002, 10:41:01 AM »
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Agreed....only one alpha male in my home:)


Does he make you wear a skirt?


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« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2002, 10:42:04 AM »
sick behaviour for sure.

Nothing would justify that kind of abuse.  Nothing.

There are ways to give your children consequences for their actions that don't involve beating the crap out of them.
How long will this child suffer?  Her whole life :(

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« Reply #58 on: September 23, 2002, 10:46:54 AM »
Kratzer I guess you deliberately fail to see the big picture.

There is a difference with a loving slap and a fistfight.
The woman of the video obviously went for latter. I don't approve it any more than you do.

Still I think that physical punishment is crucial in raising a child at certain stages of development. There are certain thigns that a child must learn not to do no matter how much he wants it. Failure in teaching those things may lead to the childs injury or death so if a child simply wont listen to reason or threats, he must be punished in a way that he learns he must respect you.

If the child learns that you're nothing to play with at an early enough age, he'll listen to your commands instead of doing whatever he wants. That way is the safest way for the child for sure.

I saw a document about the politically correct method to raise kids in my country. That involved 30 minute discussion with the child in the morning, negotiating what the kid should wear out. So in the end the child refused to put on warm clothing (-2C) and the parent let the child go out in a summer outfit, just because the child insisted and it was time to go to kindergarten. The parent couldn't say no, she couldn't force the kid to wear warm clothes no matter how he hated them, nothing.

That leaves the kid confused, first he was asked to do something he had no ability to decide himself yet, then he froze his bellybutton outside and probably got a flu as a result. Well, at least nobody endangered his ego and self-rule so he can grow up to be an arrogant selfish bastard who thinks he can do whatever he wants without anyone being able to stop him in the end.

Kids like that very often end up in a prison.

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« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2002, 10:51:44 AM »
Now don't get me wrong I don't believe in beating kids but spankings do have their place in some homes.

Coming from an abusive family I can tell you first hand how bad it can be.

Growing up it would have been:

Dewey takes ball from Troy.

Troy cries.

Dad: Why you son of a squeak take this and this and this this this this........

Dewey: But it was my ball he stole from my room.

Dad: WTF!? you talking back? go to your room and die!
I have been reborn a new man!

Notice I never said a better man.