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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2002, 09:47:04 AM »
Limosines, Toyota pickups loaded with fridges and microwaves.

Crack Iraqi troops... in disguise. The only reason they didn't surrender is because the allies were buzzing above their heads on some live fire excercise.

I still remember an A-10 pilot being interviewed at the time, joyfully describing Basra as a 'Turkey Shoot'. I swear he was talking with a smile on his face. He was positively triumphant, like he'd achieved a great victory. I thought he was the biggest salamander to grace the airwaves (after David Mellor).

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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2002, 10:00:26 AM »
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Limosines, Toyota pickups loaded with fridges and microwaves.

Crack Iraqi troops... in disguise. The only reason they didn't surrender is because the allies were buzzing above their heads on some live fire excercise.

I still remember an A-10 pilot being interviewed at the time, joyfully describing Basra as a 'Turkey Shoot'. I swear he was talking with a smile on his face. He was positively triumphant, like he'd achieved a great victory. I thought he was the biggest salamander to grace the airwaves (after David Mellor).


you'd rather have seen Iraq footage of a SA missile destroying his plane?

every war has a winner and a loser

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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2002, 10:18:44 AM »
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"Tuesday October 1, 2002 1:50 AM


ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - Atomic energy officials said Monday that a substance seized by police near the Syrian border was not weapons-grade uranium as Turkish officials first reported, according to the Anatolia news agency.

Atomic Energy Institute chief Guler Koksal said the material was harmless, containing zinc, iron, zirconium and manganese. "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2055139,00.html


It turns out the substance was Mama Shrub’s shake and bake recipe.

Too bad though, another scam uncovered before its time. If this little ruse sparked an Iraq invasion, it would rank right up there with other government sponsored hoaxes:

1) Pearl Harbor
2) Gulf of Tonkin
3) Iraqi atrocities in Kuwait
4) Toppling of the World Trade Centers.

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2002, 10:22:24 AM »
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It turns out the substance was Mama Shrub’s shake and bake recipe.

Too bad though, another scam uncovered before its time. If this little ruse sparked an Iraq invasion, it would rank right up there with other government sponsored hoaxes:

1) Pearl Harbor
2) Gulf of Tonkin
3) Iraqi atrocities in Kuwait
4) Toppling of the World Trade Centers.


Peee Ewwwww... that is stinky!

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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2002, 11:21:15 AM »
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Limosines, Toyota pickups loaded with fridges and microwaves.

Crack Iraqi troops... in disguise. The only reason they didn't surrender is because the allies were buzzing above their heads on some live fire excercise.


Come on Dowding, even those who decry the attack don't deny that they were withdrawing Iraqi military units.

You should probably stick with condeming the timing of the attack, and the weapons used.

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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2002, 11:25:22 AM »
Nah, Sikboy. I couldn't care less.

The whole thing was a set-up by capitilistic Western pig-dogs in a neo-Imperialistic attempt to control oil flow, in order to sustain their decadent, comfortable lifestyles.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2002, 11:26:42 AM »
Atleast we don't have bad teeth Dowding.
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2002, 11:29:53 AM »
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Nah, Sikboy. I couldn't care less.

The whole thing was a set-up by capitilistic Western pig-dogs in a neo-Imperialistic attempt to control oil flow, in order to sustain their decadent, comfortable lifestyles.


That's the Spirit! :p

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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2002, 11:43:45 AM »
Sooooooo...

Its OK to win a war, just don't win too big. Kinda like beating the spread.

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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2002, 11:56:45 AM »
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Excellent point. Since those were just farmers and stuff. They weren't Iraqi soldiers trying to get Iraqi military equiptment back across the border.


 They were iraqi soldiers drafted under threat of death to fight for him - which they were not doing since they were running.
 Since we never intended to pursue them into Iraq, we could notc are less if they take their junk with them.
 If we needed that equipment to stay in Kuwait for some unfathomable reason, we could have used a couple of cratering bombs on the highway or just used our Spec-Op tropps to put "CLOSED" sign on the gas station.

 Killing those poor bastards made as much sense as killing hundreds of thousands germans in Dresden just before US liberated them from nazi regime and befriended them.

Come on Dowding, even those who decry the attack don't deny that they were withdrawing Iraqi military units.
 And withdrawas of Iraqi military inits was exactly what we set to achieve, so what the purpose of killing them other than satisfy the murderous urges of a few sick people in our military? I though soldiers took pride in fighting, not gratuitous violence.

Eagler: Iraq started it & Iraq LOST
 Those farmers did not have any say in it and their deaths were in no way necessary for US to still insure that Iraq lost. The responcible for invasion were not punished in any way.
 Your logic could be used to justify deaths of 3000 civilians on 9/11 - someone in US pissed them off and we lost the terror strike, right?

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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2002, 12:09:07 PM »
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 Since we never intended to pursue them into Iraq, we could notc are less if they take their junk with them.
 If we needed that equipment to stay in Kuwait for some unfathomable reason, we could have used a couple of cratering bombs on the highway or just used our Spec-Op tropps to put "CLOSED" sign on the gas station.

It's just that easy isn't  it? I'm curious to see how this would have been accomplished.

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 And withdrawas of Iraqi military inits was exactly what we set to achieve, so what the purpose of killing them other than satisfy the murderous urges of a few sick people in our military? I though soldiers took pride in fighting, not gratuitous violence.


Oh, a false Dilemma. I like those.

I am not in a position to fully appreciate the tactical descision that was made on Feb 26-27th. The United States continued to engage Iraqi forces on those days, during and after the withdrawel from Kuwait.  The units engaged during that time were largely the Republican Guard units (not just Joe 6-pack with his draft card in his pocket). There was a battle going on, and without a surrender I don't see how a military man could allow large enemy formations to withdraw, given that they could regroup and counterattack.

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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2002, 01:38:45 PM »
miko: If we needed that equipment to stay in Kuwait for some unfathomable reason, we could have used a couple of cratering bombs on the highway or just used our Spec-Op tropps to put "CLOSED" sign on the gas station.

Sikboy: It's just that easy isn't it? I'm curious to see how this would have been accomplished.
 Like this: Take an airplane into the air. Drop a few bombs on the road, so the wheeled transport cannot get through. In case some iraqis bother to carry their vehicles over the resulting craters rather than leave them and walk, destroy any fuel dumps/gas stations close to the road. Done.

 How about this dilemma for you: one dictator (Hussein) wanted to take ownetship of 700,000 peasants (kuwaitis) from another dictator (whichever sheikh) and also his oil reserves (which he would sell to the same buyer and close friend US of A). To thwart that plan we killed 100,000 peasants.
 So all the peaseants are still ruled by dictators (except for 100,000 dead ones) and the oil still belongs to the same dictators.

There was a battle going on, and without a surrender I don't see how a military man could allow large enemy formations to withdraw, given that they could regroup and counterattack.
 Did anyone offer those bastards to surrender? We shot people who had no way of shooting back and could only theoretically hurt us at a later date because we declared war on their country.

 According to that logic of yours, Al-Qaeda declared war on us years ago and was justified blowing up 3000 civilians because those could have regrouped, got drafted into the army and hurt them back at some later date.

 P.S. I participated in a war where helpless enemy soldiers, prisoners, women and children were murdered for reasons and in ways that would not be found acceptable by civilised societies. But I am not such a hyppocrite as to justify it or take pride in it.

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« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2002, 01:50:55 PM »
miko

as far as I know we killed Iraq soldiers who were retreating

if you have special inside knowledge or video pls enlightened us with it

I do not compare anything that happened then with 9/11
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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2002, 02:03:42 PM »
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 Like this: Take an airplane into the air. Drop a few bombs on the road, so the wheeled transport cannot get through. In case some iraqis bother to carry their vehicles over the resulting craters rather than leave them and walk, destroy any fuel dumps/gas stations close to the road. Done.

Wow, that's a very over simplified way of looking at it. I suggest that your plan would not work.

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 How about this dilemma for you: one dictator (Hussein) wanted to take ownetship of 700,000 peasants (kuwaitis) from another dictator (whichever sheikh) and also his oil reserves (which he would sell to the same buyer and close friend US of A). To thwart that plan we killed 100,000 peasants.
 So all the peaseants are still ruled by dictators (except for 100,000 dead ones) and the oil still belongs to the same dictators.

I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with the question at hand? I mean I've already followed you as youve changed from "Iraqi soldiers killing newborns" to "US Forces engaged a combatant enemy in an engagement I dissagree with" I'm certainly not enlarging this debate to include the root causes of the war.

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 Did anyone offer those bastards to surrender? We shot people who had no way of shooting back and could only theoretically hurt us at a later date because we declared war on their country.


Yes actually, I'm glad you brough that up. http://www.btinternet.com/~rrnotes/psywarsoc/fleaf/gulfapp.htm
does a pretty good job of summing up the US efforts to encourage Iraqi troops to surrender.

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 According to that logic of yours, Al-Qaeda declared war on us years ago and was justified blowing up 3000 civilians because those could have regrouped, got drafted into the army and hurt them back at some later date.

No, because as I've said before these were soldiers. They were armed combatats that were ambushed and slaughtered.  


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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2002, 02:29:22 PM »
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They were armed combatats


Got any references for that?