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Offline mrfish

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« Reply #360 on: December 04, 2002, 03:22:57 PM »
leslie -

if you are a christian then you have to believe that women were made from a rib and this is simply irreconcilable with science. god doesn't give you a choice to believe that part or interpret it as you please. it's his word- believe it or don't.

if you are a christian you have to believe that all the species on earth fit nicely onto a 450 foot boat during god's first temper tantrum. this is also irreconcilable with what we know here in the real world. again, you don't get a choice- that's what god said, recorded by men, guided by his divine hand from on high.

god tells you over and over that 'the word' is the absolute unquestionable truth - if you keep trying to write off sections of it or see it's inconsistencies, he may also condem you to eternal pain and torture with the rest of us evil folk so be careful- he's watching you know and the slightest thing makes him furious;)

back in 1024 ad you wouldn't have heard a single christian trying to explain away genesis. they were too ignorant to even question it back then because there was no alternative-

the christian trend to try to interpret the bible to match science is a new trend that coincides wth our intellectual emergence as a species. science is built to grow, christianty will just crack under the pressure of truth some day because it's inflexible and presents an unrealistic account of our reality. it's creating a lot of conflict in educated christians already....

quite frankly, you guys are at the end of your rope and have been since galileo. the more we learn about reality the less your book will fit our sensibilities. christianity will perish in an educated world which is why you do so well in third world countries and trailor parks where they don't have as much trouble believing those stories and not so good where people have had a chance to learn.

is that an insult to you? it's just the truth to me- look at the next televised benny hinn revival....old widows.....lonely people....shut ins........some honduran chick with a 3rd grade education with 5 kids just dieing to see the virgin mary in some reflection...all these people believing they are being healed......etc etc. and he'll fit a big stadium full of em too - you can see the narcotic effect on their faces as they sway and cry.....no wonder they don't want to let go of the fantasy- and substitute that for cold hard science that doesn't watch you from heaven or give you a place to go when you die? i don't blame em i guess.

you can hold on to your beliefs because they give you comfort against the unknowns of the uiniverse and death  or because it was your default setting growing up as a white guy in america but you just can't have science too. despite the great efforts of many devoted people to make it that way- hell, if it were relevant would you have to try so hard to make it match our observations? probably not.

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« Reply #361 on: December 04, 2002, 04:16:13 PM »
and where is that in the bible.....?

edit- thrawn did you delete the apostles creed post?

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« Reply #362 on: December 04, 2002, 04:17:51 PM »
Your wrong mrfish.

This is what christians believe.

"I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.  

And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; he descended into hell; the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.  

I believe in the Holy Ghost; the holy catholic Church; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting. AMEN."


I don't see anything about ribs or arks in there.  Good luck with your pigeon holing though.

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« Reply #363 on: December 04, 2002, 04:18:35 PM »
ah it's back - ;)

now again- where is that in the bible?

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« Reply #364 on: December 04, 2002, 04:28:39 PM »
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if you are a christian then you have to believe that women were made from a rib and this is simply irreconcilable with science. god doesn't give you a choice to believe that part or interpret it as you please. it's his word- believe it or don't.
 


Who made you ruler of the universe in that you think you can tell folks what they HAVE to believe? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #365 on: December 04, 2002, 04:44:28 PM »
if you want to refute the word of god and call yourself a christian i won't stop you.  i'm not sure where you got the 'go ahead interpret this stuff however you want guys' message from the bible though.

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« Reply #366 on: December 04, 2002, 05:22:53 PM »
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if you want to refute the word of god and call yourself a christian i won't stop you.  i'm not sure where you got the 'go ahead interpret this stuff however you want guys' message from the bible though.


Apparently you have no faith there is a God, who are you to say what his word is or isn't?
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« Reply #367 on: December 04, 2002, 05:32:11 PM »
well....... the stuff in the bible is god's word right?

is that not god's word? if not, which parts are and which parts aren't because it might make a huge difference don't you think?

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« Reply #368 on: December 04, 2002, 05:41:36 PM »
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well....... the stuff in the bible is god's word right?

is that not god's word? if not, which parts are and which parts aren't because it might make a huge difference don't you think?


As I and others stated previously, among Christians there is  much diversity in how the bible (assume we're still talking protestant bible) is to be understood.

If I am to take you literally then there are but a few passages in the old testament that contain God's words and everything that Jesus said in the new.

I don't take everything that is written in the bible literally, what I do or don't is my choice alone, not a church or denomination and certainly not yours.

Clear enough?
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« Reply #369 on: December 04, 2002, 05:45:24 PM »
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I don't take everything that is written in the bible literally, what I do or don't is my choice alone, not a church or denomination and certainly not yours.

Clear enough?


lol- crystal actually.;)

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« Reply #370 on: December 04, 2002, 05:53:45 PM »
So is there room for evolution in a book that is so unclear?
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« Reply #371 on: December 04, 2002, 06:00:14 PM »
there's room for whatever you want apparently- you just have to be good at interpreting god's true meaning.

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« Reply #372 on: December 04, 2002, 06:11:42 PM »
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there's room for whatever you want apparently- you just have to be good at interpreting god's true meaning.


apparently you have a problem with that?
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« Reply #373 on: December 04, 2002, 06:14:13 PM »
Only if you try to pass your interpretation off as truth. :)
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« Reply #374 on: December 04, 2002, 06:19:28 PM »
I can only speak for myself (when my wife let's me), and when I speak of truth it is from my personal experience and is always qualified as such.
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